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spurgeonryan said:
aLkaLiNE said:
Shits been hitting the fan since the turn of the century. I see no reason to slow down now
*starts playing highway to hell*

But seriously humanity is pushing itself toward grave peril. We aren't walking, we're running and I'm not surprised in the least by this leak, nor will I be surprised when it's swept under the rug within two weeks so that we can focus on important subjects such as the breed of dog the kardashians just picked up.

Or they will start something horrible so that everyone will forget about it.

Yes

Such as announcing another baby



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ArnoldRimmer said:
JRPGfan said:

Too many big corporations get away with tax evasion.
Thats a bigger issue, than just the avg joe rich person.

Still I think they should be made to pay the tax's they dodged by shady means, if they are caught in it.

Like here in denmark its common for big american companies like mcdonalds, pizzahut, coca cola, to all run at basically no profits because they ship that overseas to america and then pay nothing in tax here.

That issue is alot bigger than rich single persons, avoiding tax.

I agree. The only problem is that it's perfectly legal when corporations do it, despite the fact that tax evasion by big corporations is a much bigger problem.

So instead of fighting the major problem, tax evasion by faceless corporations, we'll now be pointing fingers at a few selected VIPs.

 

And it really seems like western media are already trying to use this for propaganda reasons:

For example, many media articles discussing the Panama leaks are now mentioning Putin - but apparently his name is not even on the lists, just someone Putin knows.

On the other hand, Ukraine's Poroshenko apparently really IS on the lists himself - but most media articles over here don't even mention his name.

I doubt you checked "most" media articles about that topic. I watched Tagesschau yesterday (20:00 edition) and they definitely mentioned him. Also checked Spiegel Online and Bild.de and they had him on there too. Considering Süddeutsche Zeitung was the one getting all the information a year ago, I'm sure they mentioned his name as well.
That's by far the most important media outlets in Germany, so not sure what you're reading or watching. RTL II News don't count



Nice quote on what's fishy about this leak:

"The Suddeutsche Zeitung, which received the leak, gives a detailed explanation of the methodology the corporate media used to search the files. The main search they have done is for names associated with breaking UN sanctions regimes. The Guardian reports this too and helpfully lists those countries as Zimbabwe, North Korea, Russia and Syria. The filtering of this Mossack Fonseca information by the corporate media follows a direct western governmental agenda. There is no mention at all of use of Mossack Fonseca by massive western corporations or western billionaires – the main customers. And the Guardian is quick to reassure that “much of the leaked material will remain private.”

What do you expect? The leak is being managed by the grandly but laughably named “International Consortium of Investigative Journalists”, which is funded and organised entirely by the USA’s Center for Public Integrity. Their funders include

Ford Foundation
Carnegie Endowment
Rockefeller Family Fund
W K Kellogg Foundation
Open Society Foundation (Soros)

among many others. Do not expect a genuine expose of western capitalism. The dirty secrets of western corporations will remain unpublished.

Expect hits at Russia, Iran and Syria and some tiny “balancing” western country like Iceland. A superannuated UK peer or two will be sacrificed – someone already with dementia."

Source:
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/04/corporate-media-gatekeepers-protect-western-1-from-panama-leak/



I love whistle blowers to death. If it wasn't for them we would never be able to confirm the obvious.



Barozi said:

I doubt you checked "most" media articles about that topic.

True. But neither did you, of course

Barozi said:

I watched Tagesschau yesterday (20:00 edition) and they definitely mentioned him. Also checked Spiegel Online and Bild.de and they had him on there too.

Tagesschau mentioned him, that's correct.

Barozi said:

Considering Süddeutsche Zeitung was the one getting all the information a year ago, I'm sure they mentioned his name as well.

Then you must be quite surprised to hear that the Süddeutsche did NOT mention his name a single time, at least in the big first article when they broke the story.

The initial ZEIT article on the subject on the other hand mentions Poroshenko - but not by name, they just shortly mentioned that "die Präsidenten von Argentinien und der Ukraine" are on the list. On the other hand, that very same ZEIT article is published under a huge picture of Putin, mentioning his name three times and even tagging the whole article with the keyword "Vladimir Putin" - despite the fact that Putin is not even on the lists, just some cello player who apparently played on his daughter's baptism 30 years ago.

Süddeutsche later also published another article on the Panama leaks, titled "Putins best friends", that completely focused on Putin and was published under a huge drawing of Putin. Once again, Poroshenko wasn't mentioned a single time in the article.

And pretty much the same applies to SPIEGEL Online. They have not one, but already at least two articles on the Panama leaks focusing on Putin, so much that they're already mentioning his name in the headline. Neither article mentions Poroshenko though.

But you are right that SpOn also has at least one article on the Panama leaks where Poroshenko's name is actually mentioned.

 

Anyway, what I'm trying to point out is that the coverage in german media is once again extremely biased, one-sided and Anti-Putin, despite the fact that unlike hundred thousands of people who are actually and personally being incriminated by the Panama leaks, they seem to focus on one person who is not on the list. That's stinking propaganda.

Barozi said:

so not sure what you're reading or watching. RTL II News don't count

I didn't even know RTL 2 has a news programme. I guess I'm by far not as familiar with BILD and RTL channels as you apparently are.



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ArnoldRimmer said:
Barozi said:

I doubt you checked "most" media articles about that topic.

True. But neither did you, of course

Barozi said:

I watched Tagesschau yesterday (20:00 edition) and they definitely mentioned him. Also checked Spiegel Online and Bild.de and they had him on there too.

Tagesschau mentioned him, that's correct.

Barozi said:

Considering Süddeutsche Zeitung was the one getting all the information a year ago, I'm sure they mentioned his name as well.

Then you must be quite surprised to hear that the Süddeutsche did NOT mention his name a single time, at least in the big first article when they broke the story.

The initial ZEIT article on the subject on the other hand mentions Poroshenko - but not by name, they just shortly mentioned that "die Präsidenten von Argentinien und der Ukraine" are on the list. On the other hand, that very same ZEIT article is published under a huge picture of Putin, mentioning his name three times and even tagging the whole article with the keyword "Vladimir Putin" - despite the fact that Putin is not even on the lists, just some cello player who apparently played on his daughter's baptism 30 years ago.

Süddeutsche later also published another article on the Panama leaks, titled "Putins best friends", that completely focused on Putin and was published under a huge drawing of Putin. Once again, Poroshenko wasn't mentioned a single time in the article.

And pretty much the same applies to SPIEGEL Online. They have not one, but already at least two articles on the Panama leaks focusing on Putin, so much that they're already mentioning his name in the headline. Neither article mentions Poroshenko though.

But you are right that SpOn also has at least one article on the Panama leaks where Poroshenko's name is actually mentioned.

 

Anyway, what I'm trying to point out is that the coverage in german media is once again extremely biased, one-sided and Anti-Putin, despite the fact that unlike hundred thousands of people who are actually and personally being incriminated by the Panama leaks, they seem to focus on one person who is not on the list. That's stinking propaganda.

Barozi said:

so not sure what you're reading or watching. RTL II News don't count

I didn't even know RTL 2 has a news programme. I guess I'm by far not as familiar with BILD and RTL channels as you apparently are.

Simply because Putin is more well known than many of the others that have been uncovered thus far. Even if he isn't directly involved in it.
I'm more surprised that Tagesschau focussed so much on the Icelandic PM yesterday and right now. He's not that unimportant, but come on, it's Iceland (no offense).
Obviously if you want to sell your newspapers, you're going to show a picture and write about someone people know and not some dude from a small island (again no offense).



Hiro94 said:
I love whistle blowers to death. If it wasn't for them we would never be able to confirm the obvious.

So true.



I'm actually more excited to see the U.S. Treasury take a stance against inversions but this news might get a little interesting even though most should know that this sort of stuff goes on all the time.



Can't say I'm surprised. But I doubt anything will change. As loads of politicians themselves are involved, we will most likely see some ineffective new laws which do nothing at all but will be sold to us like the holy grail to get some votes.



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ArnoldRimmer said:

Well, US citizens are unlikely to appear on the list because the US Gov't signed a data sharing agreement with Panama in 2010, meaning that Panama was no longer a safe place for US citizens to hide their money. Many are still hiding money, of course, but most would have been moved out of Panama years ago.