Yes, MENA immigrants - the Middle East and Africa. I said immigrants "Outside of Europe" several times and the vast majority of those are from MENA (over 90% in Sweden).

I didn't say the whole of Europe. I explicitly said I don't know the situation in Spain, Italy and Greece or Eastern Europe. But I do know that in the UK, Scandinavia, Germany, Austria, Holland, Belgium, Switzerland the trend is the same -  a huge overrepresentation of immigrants from outside of Europe.

Your link is pathetic. It's a a vague reference to a study that's not even officially released (of course it isn't, it's Germany we're talking about. Everything negative about immigrants must be hidden from the public). Only an illinformed person believes in such propaganda.

@discussion between Slimebeast and so on:

The Federal Criminal Police Office here in Germany (Bundeskriminalamt) released some data about the crimes done by immigrants and at least of those who came to Germany last year, it was shown that refugees from as example Syria and Iraq don't have a higher crime rate as comparable Germans have (comparable probably means low social status)

But people from Serbia, Macedonia, Kosovo and Northern Africa are highly overrepresented talking about the crime rate.

Now there is always the question how much higher the crime rate of us Germans would be if we would have to live like some of the immigrants have to (with hundreds of people in one hall and stuff like that) and I'm sure our crime rate would increase as well but I think the statistic shows already that there are simply people from specific countries who are more of a problem as others are.

Many from Syria as example are real refugees who fled from war and are happy to get help. Then you have those who don't come because of war but for economical reasons and they aren't that thankful, many of them do a lot of shit here and they don't really care about the rules here. 

Oh and btw, age does also play a huge role. Immigrants of many countries are mostly not very old so that this increases the crime rate of them automatically. If the age distribution of immigrants would be the same as from natives, the crime rate would sink or if natives would consist of less old people and more 20-40 or even 50 years old, the crime rate would probably increase.

If you have 100 people and 90 of them are between 20-50 years old then you will have a higher crime rate as if 50 of them would be above 60 years old. 

Love being called as someone who commits ad hominem, but it seems it's ok to use ad hominem against me. *thumbs up*

Oh, I did adress what you've posted. The conclusion was, it's not a reprensentable statistic for the rest of europe.  You've pointed out a high rape crime done by immigrants in sweden, but looking at the statitistics I've provided, and no one else looked at it until now, it is not the case for all the other states.  And just to take on the argument of having a low amount of immigrants compared to natives but higher crime rate.

I.e.:

I have a state of 1 million people where only 100 of them are immigrants. These 100 are all criminals. This means all immigrants have a crime rate of 100%. Can I use this statistic as an argument for calling the majority of immigrants criminal aswell, even if the amount of immigrants in other states are higher, but have a lower crime rate?

Well, that example is actually YOUR argument which you are holding right now with your post. I don't think it holds any value. But keep on defending it if you want.

Also.. what does it matter where I am coming from? Looking for an opening?

Yes! You said immigrants Outside of Europe, which means, Asia, North and South America, Africa, Australia and even the Antarctic.

Look at your own post. You didn't made a distinction of MENA immigrants and blame it on me? You've provided your statistics and you are responsible for them.

If you can't present your argument clear enough for me, then blame yourself not me. If I do a mistake, then I will say it. Like I did with the US statistic. But you people also like to beat a dead horse. 

And ad homimen again. Thanks.

The hypocricy is strong in this discussion. I'm done.

Death sentence!

"I have a state of 1 million people where only 100 of them are immigrants. These 100 are all criminals. This means all immigrants have a crime rate of 100%. Can I use this statistic as an argument for calling the majority of immigrants criminal aswell, even if the amount of immigrants in other states are higher, but have a lower crime rate?"

Of course you can use that number. It makes a part of the overall picture, a part of the crime situation of the countries in question.

Seriously?

You claimed " At what part does he take MENA migrants into his post?

I'll just quote his sentence, maybe it helps you in some kind of way: "And yet, in these numbers all immigrants are counted. If we were to lift out Scandinavians and Europeans, the overrepresentation of immigrants from outside of Europe would be even higher, well over 10 times."

Now.. show me where his MENA migrant argument is. Oh right.. .nowhere. :/"

And I explain how my claims include MENA immigrants exactly because the majority of "immigrants outside of Europe" are MENA immigrants.

You're just losing the discussion and pathetically dodging now. Believer of propaganda. (oh, another ad hominem, oops!)

Dog chased away cat.

"Believer of propaganda" isn't actually an ad hominem because the definition of propaganda is "information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view" and Peh's arguments are based on such types of information. Your criticism is valid. Peh, on the other hand, is throwing ad hominem around willy-nilly without actually considering what it actually means.

I should also emphasize that overrepresentation of MENA migrants in crime statistics is not the only problem. The media is also exacerbating the problem by turning the blind eye way too much:

It's even happening in Canada:

And of course, how Germany covered the New Years Eve sexual assaults in Cologne also deserves to be mentioned. Apparently, not only did the media not mention the incident for nearly a week, but the German minster tried to tell the police to remove the word 'rape' from reports. Ivan Jurcevic also commented on how the media covered the incident up in an interview with Rebel Media at around 19:00.

"It makes a part of the overall picture, a part of the crime situation of the countries in question"

Sweden has the largest rape rate of all the states in Europe. This tells me more about the issues in sweden than the rest of Europe. But nah, let's just use this statistic as a representation for the entirety of Europe. Sounds legit.

But I already told you:

I used statistics from the 80's, which is long before the new law was in place that widened the definition of rape in Sweden and that makes comparisons with other European numbers harder. But the 80's statistics are completely legit for showing rape crime and the gross overrepresentation of x5-10 times for immigrants outside of Europe (MENA).

The situation is even worse in the capitals of Norway and Finland according to police figures. Overall in Western Europe, the situation is similar and very gross.

But just you deny it all, together with your foreign friends. It's not like we haven't seen it before when it comes to Germany.