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Slimebeast said:
Peh said:
Still no proof? Well, what else should I expect of liars, idiots and ignorant people who commit bigotry.
And who do you think I am? You? If you provide me the proof of your claims, then surely, I will accept them and take everything back I said.
Otherwise.. bullshit :)

Nice stealth way of making insults.

Official swedish statistics of rape from 1985-1989.

The blue color are native swedes, the red are immigrants and their children and the orange are foreigners who don't live in the country.

So even back in the 80's when immigrants only were around 15% of the population of Sweden, they still commited a majority of rapes. That gives an overrepresentation of 8.5. Immigrants are 8.5 times likely to rape than native Swedes.

And yet, in these numbers all immigrants are counted. If we were to lift out Scandinavians and Europeans, the overrepresentation of immigrants from outside of Europe would be even higher, well over 10 times.

 

Ever since the collation of crime statistics was initiated by the Council of Europe, Sweden has had the highest number of registered rape offences in Europe by a considerable extent. In 1996, Sweden registered almost three times the average number of rape offences registered in 35 European countries. However, this does not necessarily mean rape is three times as likely to occur as in the rest of Europe, since cross-national comparisons of crime levels based on official crime statistics are problematic, due to a number of factors described below.[

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden

So.. how does your picture reflect on Europe? It doesn't.

Looking at the statistics.. sweden in total has a really higher rape crime situation than the rest of europe.

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rape-rate

So.... what does it proof? Nothing much. Considering that other countries like germany take a lot of immigrants in. We don't see an increase of crimes done by immigrants.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape

Well... what do I have to say?

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Germany/Sweden/Crime

Also considering germany has 8 times more inhabitants than sweden.

 

So.. taking sweden alone for justifying bigotry is not enough. Sorry.



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Peh said:
Slimebeast said:

Nice stealth way of making insults.

Official swedish statistics of rape from 1985-1989.

The blue color are native swedes, the red are immigrants and their children and the orange are foreigners who don't live in the country.

So even back in the 80's when immigrants only were around 15% of the population of Sweden, they still commited a majority of rapes. That gives an overrepresentation of 8.5. Immigrants are 8.5 times likely to rape than native Swedes.

And yet, in these numbers all immigrants are counted. If we were to lift out Scandinavians and Europeans, the overrepresentation of immigrants from outside of Europe would be even higher, well over 10 times.

 

Ever since the collation of crime statistics was initiated by the Council of Europe, Sweden has had the highest number of registered rape offences in Europe by a considerable extent. In 1996, Sweden registered almost three times the average number of rape offences registered in 35 European countries. However, this does not necessarily mean rape is three times as likely to occur as in the rest of Europe, since cross-national comparisons of crime levels based on official crime statistics are problematic, due to a number of factors described below.[

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden

So.. how does your picture reflect on Europe? It doesn't.

Looking at the statistics.. sweden in total has a really higher rape crime situation than the rest of europe.

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rape-rate

So.... what does it proof? Nothing much. Considering that other countries like germany take a lot of immigrants in. We don't see an increase of crimes done by immigrants.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape

Well... what do I have to say?

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Germany/Sweden/Crime

Also considering germany has 8 times more inhabitants than sweden.

 

So.. taking sweden alone for justifying bigotry is not enough. Sorry.

Way to strawman Slimebeast's point since your reply did not address the over representation of crimes done by MENA migrants. What's even sadder is that you made this response after I earlier linked to Angry Foreigner's video that also referenced studies that show MENA migrants over representing crimes in Norway, Finland, and Denmark. You also tried to justify your opinions about European MENA migrants by citing a source that looked at immigrants in the US... What you have demonstrated in this thread is a severe case of improper citations coupled with a bunch of strawman fallacies. In addition, when met with empirical evidence that refutes your claims, you flatly deny the data. So instead of crying "bigot" at every turn (the word has really become the new "wolf"), perhaps you should cite data that actually proves that MENA migrants do not over represent in crime statistics. Otherwise, your anti-empiricism is not worth my or Slimebeast's time.



Aura7541 said:
Peh said:

 

Ever since the collation of crime statistics was initiated by the Council of Europe, Sweden has had the highest number of registered rape offences in Europe by a considerable extent. In 1996, Sweden registered almost three times the average number of rape offences registered in 35 European countries. However, this does not necessarily mean rape is three times as likely to occur as in the rest of Europe, since cross-national comparisons of crime levels based on official crime statistics are problematic, due to a number of factors described below.[

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden

So.. how does your picture reflect on Europe? It doesn't.

Looking at the statistics.. sweden in total has a really higher rape crime situation than the rest of europe.

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rape-rate

So.... what does it proof? Nothing much. Considering that other countries like germany take a lot of immigrants in. We don't see an increase of crimes done by immigrants.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape

Well... what do I have to say?

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Germany/Sweden/Crime

Also considering germany has 8 times more inhabitants than sweden.

 

So.. taking sweden alone for justifying bigotry is not enough. Sorry.

Way to strawman Slimebeast's point since your reply did not address the over representation of crimes done by MENA migrants. What's even sadder is that you made this response after I earlier linked to Angry Foreigner's video that also referenced studies that show MENA migrants over representing crimes in Norway, Finland, and Denmark. You also tried to justify your opinions about European MENA migrants by citing a source that looked at immigrants in the US... What you have demonstrated in this thread is a severe case of improper citations coupled with a bunch of strawman fallacies. In addition, when met with empirical evidence that refutes your claims, you flatly deny the data. So instead of crying "bigot" at every turn (the word has really become the new "wolf"), perhaps you should cite data that actually proves that MENA migrants do not over represent in crime statistics. Otherwise, your anti-empiricism is not worth my or Slimebeast's time.

Haha, look who's talking. What was your proof? Ah.. right.. some video of a random guy with links to some stuff in swedish. Great. And I should take this as valid proof for the whole of europe? 

Please.. respond to me if you could provide something of being worthable to talk about. And like I said twice already, probably you still didn't saw it. The burden of proof is not on me.

MENA migrants? Point of Slimebeast? LOL. Did you actually looked at his post? At what part does he take MENA migrants into his post?

I'll just quote his sentence, maybe it helps you in some kind of way: "And yet, in these numbers all immigrants are counted. If we were to lift out Scandinavians and Europeans, the overrepresentation of immigrants from outside of Europe would be even higher, well over 10 times."

Now.. show me where his MENA migrant argument is. Oh right.. .nowhere. :/

Edit: Again.... something to support my point:

http://www.dw.com/en/report-refugees-have-not-increased-crime-rate-in-germany/a-18848890

 



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Peh said:
Aura7541 said:

Way to strawman Slimebeast's point since your reply did not address the over representation of crimes done by MENA migrants. What's even sadder is that you made this response after I earlier linked to Angry Foreigner's video that also referenced studies that show MENA migrants over representing crimes in Norway, Finland, and Denmark. You also tried to justify your opinions about European MENA migrants by citing a source that looked at immigrants in the US... What you have demonstrated in this thread is a severe case of improper citations coupled with a bunch of strawman fallacies. In addition, when met with empirical evidence that refutes your claims, you flatly deny the data. So instead of crying "bigot" at every turn (the word has really become the new "wolf"), perhaps you should cite data that actually proves that MENA migrants do not over represent in crime statistics. Otherwise, your anti-empiricism is not worth my or Slimebeast's time.

Haha, look who's talking. What was your proof? Ah.. right.. some video of a random guy with links to some stuff in swedish. Great. And I should take this as valid proof for the whole of europe? 

Please.. respond to me if you could provide something of being worthable to talk about. And like I said twice already, probably you still didn't saw it. The burden of proof is not on me.

MENA migrants? Point of Slimebeast? LOL. Did you actually looked at his post? At what part does he take MENA migrants into his post?

I'll just quote his sentence, maybe it helps you in some kind of way: "And yet, in these numbers all immigrants are counted. If we were to lift out Scandinavians and Europeans, the overrepresentation of immigrants from outside of Europe would be even higher, well over 10 times."

Now.. show me where his MENA migrant argument is. Oh right.. .nowhere. :/

Edit: Again.... something to support my point:

http://www.dw.com/en/report-refugees-have-not-increased-crime-rate-in-germany/a-18848890

 

So what can you explain for the recent outbreak in crime like in Cologne back in new years?



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barneystinson69 said:
Peh said:

Haha, look who's talking. What was your proof? Ah.. right.. some video of a random guy with links to some stuff in swedish. Great. And I should take this as valid proof for the whole of europe? 

Please.. respond to me if you could provide something of being worthable to talk about. And like I said twice already, probably you still didn't saw it. The burden of proof is not on me.

MENA migrants? Point of Slimebeast? LOL. Did you actually looked at his post? At what part does he take MENA migrants into his post?

I'll just quote his sentence, maybe it helps you in some kind of way: "And yet, in these numbers all immigrants are counted. If we were to lift out Scandinavians and Europeans, the overrepresentation of immigrants from outside of Europe would be even higher, well over 10 times."

Now.. show me where his MENA migrant argument is. Oh right.. .nowhere. :/

Edit: Again.... something to support my point:

http://www.dw.com/en/report-refugees-have-not-increased-crime-rate-in-germany/a-18848890

 

So what can you explain for the recent outbreak in crime like in Cologne back in new years?

You are asking the wrong one here. I can't give you an answer to this, because I havn't done any research in that case.

Also, don't get the wrong idea about me. I'm against generalizing a whole culture, because of some dipshits among them.

 

Look at it this way, I give everyone a hand which wants to come to this country. But if they don't play by the rules, then send them back where they came from as fast as possible. That's it.

 

We had enough hate crimes in the past. Just look at the history of germany. People easily forget that, while burning down the places where refugees are.

All I see are idiots and bigots posting hate messages around the web just for the sake of it. And I personally can't stand it.

 

So feel free to go also against me.



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Peh said:
Aura7541 said:

Way to strawman Slimebeast's point since your reply did not address the over representation of crimes done by MENA migrants. What's even sadder is that you made this response after I earlier linked to Angry Foreigner's video that also referenced studies that show MENA migrants over representing crimes in Norway, Finland, and Denmark. You also tried to justify your opinions about European MENA migrants by citing a source that looked at immigrants in the US... What you have demonstrated in this thread is a severe case of improper citations coupled with a bunch of strawman fallacies. In addition, when met with empirical evidence that refutes your claims, you flatly deny the data. So instead of crying "bigot" at every turn (the word has really become the new "wolf"), perhaps you should cite data that actually proves that MENA migrants do not over represent in crime statistics. Otherwise, your anti-empiricism is not worth my or Slimebeast's time.

Haha, look who's talking. What was your proof? Ah.. right.. some video of a random guy with links to some stuff in swedish. Great. And I should take this as valid proof for the whole of europe? 

Please.. respond to me if you could provide something of being worthable to talk about. And like I said twice already, probably you still didn't saw it. The burden of proof is not on me.

MENA migrants? Point of Slimebeast? LOL. Did you actually looked at his post? At what part does he take MENA migrants into his post?

I'll just quote his sentence, maybe it helps you in some kind of way: "And yet, in these numbers all immigrants are counted. If we were to lift out Scandinavians and Europeans, the overrepresentation of immigrants from outside of Europe would be even higher, well over 10 times."

Now.. show me where his MENA migrant argument is. Oh right.. .nowhere. :/

Edit: Again.... something to support my point:

http://www.dw.com/en/report-refugees-have-not-increased-crime-rate-in-germany/a-18848890

 

So, you're just going to continue to ignore empirical data and do the strawman. Awesome... In addition, your link doesn't support your point because that article fails to mention per capita and offers no citations. Whether it's an "official report" or not, I want to see the figures and tables. But even if I take it at face value, this article debunks your point once again as (1) it is more up-to-date and (2) provides actual citations to its sources. Let's look at what this article said, shall we?

- "Migrants committed 208,344 crimes in 2015, according to a confidential police report that was leaked to the German newspaper, Bild. This figure represents an 80% increase over 2014 and works out to around 570 crimes committed by migrants every day, or 23 crimes each hour, between January and December 2015."

- "The actual number of migrant crimes is far higher, however, because the report, produced by the Federal Criminal Police Office (Bundeskriminalamt, BKA), includes only crimes that have been solved (aufgeklärten Straftaten). According to Statista, the German statistics agency, on average only around half of all crimes committed in Germany in any given year are solved (Aufklärungsquote). This implies that the actual number of crimes committed by migrants in 2015 may exceed 400,000."

- "The report does not include crime data from North Rhine-Westphalia, the most populous state in Germany and also the state with the largest number of migrants. North Rhine-Westphalia's biggest city is Cologne, where, on New Year's Eve, hundreds of German women were sexually assaulted by migrants. It is not yet clear why those crimes were not included in the report."



Peh said:
barneystinson69 said:

So what can you explain for the recent outbreak in crime like in Cologne back in new years?

You are asking the wrong one here. I can't give you an answer to this, because I havn't done any research in that case.

Also, don't get the wrong idea about me. I'm against generalizing a whole culture, because of some dipshits among them.

 

Look at it this way, I give everyone a hand which wants to come to this country. But if they don't play by the rules, then send them back where they came from as fast as possible. That's it.

 

We had enough hate crimes in the past. Just look at the history of germany. People easily forget that, while burning down the places where refugees are.

All I see are idiots and bigots posting hate messages around the web just for the sake of it. And I personally can't stand it.

 

So feel free to go also against me.

Why do you keep trying to have this ww2 guilt trip? You aren't commiting genocide against these people. People need to grow up and realize that was the past! Immigration is an excuse to keep wages down, yet it causes racial tention! Problems are arising in Europe because of mass-immigration. What, do you expect people to cheer on as their countries slowly start to tear itself apart? Anyone who denies what's going on Europe is a liar...



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Aura7541 said:
Peh said:

Haha, look who's talking. What was your proof? Ah.. right.. some video of a random guy with links to some stuff in swedish. Great. And I should take this as valid proof for the whole of europe? 

Please.. respond to me if you could provide something of being worthable to talk about. And like I said twice already, probably you still didn't saw it. The burden of proof is not on me.

MENA migrants? Point of Slimebeast? LOL. Did you actually looked at his post? At what part does he take MENA migrants into his post?

I'll just quote his sentence, maybe it helps you in some kind of way: "And yet, in these numbers all immigrants are counted. If we were to lift out Scandinavians and Europeans, the overrepresentation of immigrants from outside of Europe would be even higher, well over 10 times."

Now.. show me where his MENA migrant argument is. Oh right.. .nowhere. :/

Edit: Again.... something to support my point:

http://www.dw.com/en/report-refugees-have-not-increased-crime-rate-in-germany/a-18848890

 

So, you're just going to continue to ignore empirical data and do the strawman. Awesome... In addition, your link doesn't support your point because that article fails to mention per capita and offers no citations. Whether it's an "official report" or not, I want to see the figures and tables. But even if I take it at face value, this article debunks your point once again as (1) it is more up-to-date and (2) provides actual citations to its sources. Let's look at what this article said, shall we?

- "Migrants committed 208,344 crimes in 2015, according to a confidential police report that was leaked to the German newspaper, Bild. This figure represents an 80% increase over 2014 and works out to around 570 crimes committed by migrants every day, or 23 crimes each hour, between January and December 2015."

- "The actual number of migrant crimes is far higher, however, because the report, produced by the Federal Criminal Police Office (Bundeskriminalamt, BKA), includes only crimes that have been solved (aufgeklärten Straftaten). According to Statista, the German statistics agency, on average only around half of all crimes committed in Germany in any given year are solved (Aufklärungsquote). This implies that the actual number of crimes committed by migrants in 2015 may exceed 400,000."

- "The report does not include crime data from North Rhine-Westphalia, the most populous state in Germany and also the state with the largest number of migrants. North Rhine-Westphalia's biggest city is Cologne, where, on New Year's Eve, hundreds of German women were sexually assaulted by migrants. It is not yet clear why those crimes were not included in the report."

OK.. I try to be less agressive in this one. And look at your source carefully.

First thing first. You say you only want to see figures and tables and provide me a link with none.

I checked your link for objectivity. And that's what I found: http://www.alternet.org/investigations/one-americas-most-dangerous-think-tanks-spreading-islamophobic-hate-across-atlantic 
So.. according to alternet.org, the recently created GateStone Institute seems to be islamophobic. How much truth there is won't be judged by me. But I saw it worth by posting it.

Next thing I checked were some of the sources linked in that article and was suprised to encounter a paywall for some of them. So I am not able to varify the source. More scarier is, that they use Bild.de out of all sources out there. Just for your knowledge, Bild.de has the lowest reputation in germany (It's mainly clickbait). You can also compare it to Fox News with Bill O'Reilly for the level of research done in those articles. Yes, that Bill O'Reilly who doesn't know how tides work on this planet.

But OK.. let's assume that is true for Germany.. the crime rate increased in the recent months or years.

How do you correlate this with my original statement which by the way was obviously sarcastic by making fun of people labeling a whole culture and religion as criminals?  Because that, is the whole point of this discussion here and the part where Slimebeast jumped at me.



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barneystinson69 said:
Peh said:

You are asking the wrong one here. I can't give you an answer to this, because I havn't done any research in that case.

Also, don't get the wrong idea about me. I'm against generalizing a whole culture, because of some dipshits among them.

 

Look at it this way, I give everyone a hand which wants to come to this country. But if they don't play by the rules, then send them back where they came from as fast as possible. That's it.

 

We had enough hate crimes in the past. Just look at the history of germany. People easily forget that, while burning down the places where refugees are.

All I see are idiots and bigots posting hate messages around the web just for the sake of it. And I personally can't stand it.

 

So feel free to go also against me.

Why do you keep trying to have this ww2 guilt trip? You aren't commiting genocide against these people. People need to grow up and realize that was the past! Immigration is an excuse to keep wages down, yet it causes racial tention! Problems are arising in Europe because of mass-immigration. What, do you expect people to cheer on as their countries slowly start to tear itself apart? Anyone who denies what's going on Europe is a liar...

I can't remember using genocide as an argument. I rather want to point out the part where it all started. With hate crimes.
And what exactly do you mean by "people need to grow up and realize that was the past"? Should we forget about it and start again with labeling immigrants as criminals? Please enlighten me. Immigration is used to keep wages down? Why blame the immigrants, when the native employers don't want to pay more? And yes, this can cause racial tension, but for the wrong reasons.

I wouldn't say mass-immigration nor the immigrants are the issue here. The issue is the goverment who doesn't know how to deal with it. If they are unable to offer integration programs for the immigrants and still letting more and more in, then obviously it will all collapse. But still, I am not blaming immigrants for it.

Like I said, if an immigrants wants to learn the language, wants to adapt to the rules and wants to work, then he is more than welcomed here. We even took someone from romania into our company to work in the IT. He can speak english and has good knowledge of what he does. He also learns how to speak german. What negativ is there to say?

But if someone doesn't bother with the rules and wants to fuck around in our country.. then throw him back to where he came from. We don't need shit like that. Simple as that.



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