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TheLegendofDS said:

Ganon didn't change when Ganodorf was introduce,he was still the same charater that given a human form that isn't changing a character that's adding to it and in WW even though he didn't change into his pig form he was still the same character and yes Fem/Trans Link is a social nararrative and a stupid ideia because the main reason that people want it to happen is just so that there are more women or trans people in games and as nothing to do with the games themselves,let's take Zelda U and give the Hero save the princess story that aparrantly Zelda games love to have and let's make Link a woman in what way does the game change or is freshen up the series apart from "Link has titts now" nothing changes,now with Zelda as the main character things most likely will change since you know Zelda is a different character and not just a guy in drag.So Zelda U won't have a female lead so fing what that doesn't mean that the next one won't have Zelda as the main character.And I will say I'm perfectly fine with more women and tras characters in gaming, but create new ones and give them their own IP don't just change new characters that is just pandering and kinda of isulting if you ask me because you are basically saying that they are not good enough on their own so you'll throw them a bone by giving them an already popular IP.

 

How can you say he is the same character when Ganondorf in WW was clearly different? He wasn't a pig, therefore he's not the same character. It's as simple as that. Trans Link isn't a stupid idea, it's actually brilliant.

I think your problem is that you haven't read the whole article. So go to the source, Amita explains everything in detail, it's easier that way. No one is saying changing characters is saying they're not good enough. The problem is that Male White Link has been since forever, it's time for a change.



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The_Yoda said:

Samus says you're wrong ...

 

You'd be correct, except for the fact that the new Metroid Prime game is ditching Samus for a standard male hunter because Nintendo doesn't even believe in women being able to save the day anymore. So I'm still correct here, unfortunately.



Wright said:
TheLegendofDS said:

Ganon didn't change when Ganodorf was introduce,he was still the same charater that given a human form that isn't changing a character that's adding to it and in WW even though he didn't change into his pig form he was still the same character and yes Fem/Trans Link is a social nararrative and a stupid ideia because the main reason that people want it to happen is just so that there are more women or trans people in games and as nothing to do with the games themselves,let's take Zelda U and give the Hero save the princess story that aparrantly Zelda games love to have and let's make Link a woman in what way does the game change or is freshen up the series apart from "Link has titts now" nothing changes,now with Zelda as the main character things most likely will change since you know Zelda is a different character and not just a guy in drag.So Zelda U won't have a female lead so fing what that doesn't mean that the next one won't have Zelda as the main character.And I will say I'm perfectly fine with more women and tras characters in gaming, but create new ones and give them their own IP don't just change new characters that is just pandering and kinda of isulting if you ask me because you are basically saying that they are not good enough on their own so you'll throw them a bone by giving them an already popular IP.

 

How can you say he is the same character when Ganondorf in WW was clearly different? He wasn't a pig, therefore he's not the same character. It's as simple as that. Trans Link isn't a stupid idea, it's actually brilliant.

I think your problem is that you haven't read the whole article. So go to the source, Amita explains everything in detail, it's easier that way. No one is saying changing characters is saying they're not good enough. The problem is that Male White Link has been since forever, it's time for a change.

WW Ganondorf was indeed the same Ganon/Ganondorf from OoT.  Remeber he reverted back to human form when the sages sealed him and this is confirmed by the Zelda Historia.



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Slimebeast said:


We need to shut down these Marxists/feminists/multiculturalists/immigration lovers from setting the agenda and washing our brains. They don't care for equality or diversity, they just want to destroy the current order, destroy norms and everything that was built by the white man.

 

No one is trying to wash any brain here. I do agree that Christians perhaps are misrepresented in the media nowadays (I can only think of Lucas' brother in Fahrenheit as a Christian main character), but other than that, it is going too far to say they don't care for diversity. They do want diversity, that's the whole point of the article. (I suggest reading it at the source, there's more evidences than what I can describe here).

The problem with the current order is that is an unfair order, where collectives are not properly represented. It's not about the white man, is about the diverse cast that compounds mankind.



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hershel_layton said:

I read it. My criticism was on a whole though. Not just to transgender(they do have it bad), but other people that demand everything is diverse and have all groups feel represented. 

The only reason I don't want it for Link is because Sheik would be a more matching character. Makes everyone think she's a boy(even though she isn't in OoT).

Also, the article had problems. First off, nintendo never dealt with otherkin. There's a difference between transforming into a badass animal and otherkin.

Secondly, Anita Sarkeesian. Saying the typical audience is "30 year old white[caucasion] males" is absolutely dishonest. Do you truly think the majority of Nintendo's audience is above 30, let alone 25? Most of them are teenage-young adult men and women who love their games for original gameplay. You'll find the "white men" elsewhere, not at Nintendo.

Also, look at the wording. She's so biased it's to the point where I'm cringing. The article is portraying Nintendo as some big, bad villian with the fired worker(who I have nothing against) as some angel that got pursecuted by Nintendo.

Adding on, I'm quite sure Nintendo has their own reason for not making any of their current characters transgender- they just never felt the need. As I said, this is video games that we're talking about. Not everyone will be happy. But guess what? Link isn't a white male with white privilege. He's a dude that's an elf(I think).

YET, the reason why I never saw the need for Link being transgender is because most of the Link's from the LoZ franchise look extremely masculine and male-like(especially the voice). The Wii U version could make him look like a girlish boy/boyish girl to allow people to pick whatever the heck they want Link to be. Male, female, transgender male, transgender female...See what I mean?

Link is Nintendo's golden character(well, one of them). I'm pretty sure Nintendo will do whatever they can to keep it like that, now what I mean? They probably know what to do for the best.

 

So, you read the source? Do you understand now why Transgenders and not another collective (even though they need to be represented) must be the one being represented in the new Zelda game?

And you're wrong. Sheik was definitively a man in OoT (Zelda used magic to change her body, it wasn't just a disguise. The OoT Manga confirmed this), and the transforming into an animal was definitively a move to represent the otherkin collective. Because otherwise wouldn't have made sense that Link was a wolf, wasn't it? They could have simply do what they did in Majora, change his race.

Nintendo definitively aim for the white men population, though I agree that maybe Anita got the age wrong. I do think 15 is way too short, probably mid-20. Still, we're in the same situation.

And she's not biased. She's pointing out the flaws in Nintendo's patriarchal way of thinking. That worker did nothing to deserve being fired. Yet she was kick out regardless.

 

I think it's too sad that Link has to be a man to be considered the Golden Character of Nintendo. They have the opportunity to demonstrate that your sex isn't what determines the Golden Character thing. Because outside Samus, there's really no diversification in Nintendo's humane-esque Golden Characters.

There's a LoZ manga? Never knew.

Also, I hope you realize that Nintendo never says "if you're not a male, then piss off!". I guess they naturally just put men as the leading protaginist. However, the newer games are slowly accepted men/women as well. 


As I said though, he doesn't need to be a man. Just make it where his gender won't be completely obvious to make people infer that he's transgender.

 

"YET, the reason why I never saw the need for Link being transgender is because most of the Link's from the LoZ franchise look extremely masculine and male-like(especially the voice). The Wii U version could make him look like a girlish boy/boyish girl to allow people to pick whatever the heck they want Link to be. Male, female, transgender male, transgender female...See what I mean" ~Me



 

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Shiken said:

Be careful, there is a fine line between a bold move and a stupid one.  The Zelda universe is what it is, to change it to that degree even to just show diversity is pointless when there are better options available.

Either A, make the NEXT one focus on Zelda or B, make Link's gender an option.  This is the ONLY way everyone wins.  I don't like playing as a female, period.  Still have not beaten RotTR due to this.  I know many who won't even touch a game with a female lead because, like me, they have no interest in playing as a female.

Samus is a female, never make her male.

Lara is female, should always be that way.

Link is MALE, and should remain so.

Changing an eatablished characters gender is beyond reaching.  As I said however, an option would not bother me at all.  Playing as Zelda or Impa would not be a huge deal, even though I do not prefer it.  If I am forced to play as a female OR transgender Link, I may pass on it altogether.  If this comes to pass, I want a male version of Samus to play as, and I would want him to be the only option as well.

Do you see how stupid this idea is?  Lets make the next Tomb Raider game focus on a male as well while we are at it.  You see where I am going with this...

 

Why changing something would be pointless? Are you afraid of change, is that it?

Just because you don't like playing as a female, which I guess it's tolerable because it's your taste after all, doesn't mean whole collectives should get punished because you don't want to deal with it. What if we turn every single main character into male? Don't you think there would be a problem there? Sure, you can't please them all, but at least one could try.

It's not a stupid idea. The problem is that you don't like the idea altogether because you personally don't like to play as women. There's the problem. I don't see the problem of turning Lara into a male for diversification, and I know some women would have a problem with it, but it is what it is.

 

Shiken said:

WW Ganondorf was indeed the same Ganon/Ganondorf from OoT.  Remeber he reverted back to human form when the sages sealed him and this is confirmed by the Zelda Historia.

 

Fair point, but then again, Twilight Princess Ganondorf was different, wasn't he? So my point still stands.



What Nintendo should do if this is so important is leave eatablished franchises alone and make a NEW IP with such leads. Altering an established character is the worst thing you can do to a franchise. However, a new IP from a first party studio would show support and leave Zelda fans with the Legend and characters they fell in love with.



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The_Yoda said:
Wright said:

 

It's not a social narrative. It's the fact that Nintendo seems stuck with the "standard male save-the-day hero" instead of, you know, acknowledging there are diverse people that could take his place instead. Linkle was a start, now they have to keep that path, but doesn't seem they want to, judging what we know about ZeldaU.

Samus says you're wrong ...

Absolute lies. Nintendo rarely cares about gender. Most of the time they just put males cause whatever, they feel like it. The newer IP's nowadays have males and females. Shows Nintendo isn't filled with sexist white men who work with the illuminati to make white privilege stay alive.

 

Man, everyone wanting everything to be diverse...even games. How about Link wears a goddamn Sombrero and is from the hood? THERE. Diversity!

 

But wait, now the argument of cultural appropriation and whether saying "the hood" is racist or not...



 

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Shiken said:

Be careful, there is a fine line between a bold move and a stupid one.  The Zelda universe is what it is, to change it to that degree even to just show diversity is pointless when there are better options available.

Either A, make the NEXT one focus on Zelda or B, make Link's gender an option.  This is the ONLY way everyone wins.  I don't like playing as a female, period.  Still have not beaten RotTR due to this.  I know many who won't even touch a game with a female lead because, like me, they have no interest in playing as a female.

Samus is a female, never make her male.

Lara is female, should always be that way.

Link is MALE, and should remain so.

Changing an eatablished characters gender is beyond reaching.  As I said however, an option would not bother me at all.  Playing as Zelda or Impa would not be a huge deal, even though I do not prefer it.  If I am forced to play as a female OR transgender Link, I may pass on it altogether.  If this comes to pass, I want a male version of Samus to play as, and I would want him to be the only option as well.

Do you see how stupid this idea is?  Lets make the next Tomb Raider game focus on a male as well while we are at it.  You see where I am going with this...

 

Why changing something would be pointless? Are you afraid of change, is that it?

Just because you don't like playing as a female, which I guess it's tolerable because it's your taste after all, doesn't mean whole collectives should get punished because you don't want to deal with it. What if we turn every single main character into male? Don't you think there would be a problem there? Sure, you can't please them all, but at least one could try.

It's not a stupid idea. The problem is that you don't like the idea altogether because you personally don't like to play as women. There's the problem. I don't see the problem of turning Lara into a male for diversification, and I know some women would have a problem with it, but it is what it is.

 

Shiken said:

WW Ganondorf was indeed the same Ganon/Ganondorf from OoT.  Remeber he reverted back to human form when the sages sealed him and this is confirmed by the Zelda Historia.

 

Fair point, but then again, Twilight Princess Ganondorf was different, wasn't he? So my point still stands.

As I said in my previous post, support is better shown through first party new IPs rather than altering existing characters.

 

And as for your second part of that...yes he is the same Ganondorf, just from a different timeline.  ;)



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Shiken said:

As I said in my previous post, suppirt is better shown through first party new IPs rather than altering existing character.

And as for your second part of that...yes he is the same Ganondorf, just from a different timeline.  ;)

 

I don't agree. It takes time, money and a lot of effort to create a new character that the world can simpathize with. It takes a few second to take a recognized face and change it to show your support to diversification.

And different timelines allow for character changes. Ganondorf isn't a pig in that game. Link doesn't have to be a white male in this new Zelda.