I really have to disagree.  Neither thread is meant to be an all-out "Trump" thread.  This one is about the specific policy question about abortion that Trump had to answer, but it doesn't revolve completely around Trump.  The other thread is partly about the criticism Trump was under for the flag thing, but it's also an "I'm back" thread. 

Anyway, the flag issue and the abortion issue are COMPLETELY unrelated except for the fact that both of them came out of Trump's mouth.  I really don't see how it is helpful to combine "Is it OK to use a straight-armed salute?" and "If abortion was illegal should pregnant women be punished along with doctors when they get an abortion?" into the same thread.

Could you explain it to me? 

I see what you bolded.  Now I am completely willing to have a discussion about the development of fetuses and when personhood might be said to begin if not at conception—I have done so in the past—but I must insist that it not derail this thread.  It's not relevant to the discussion at hand.  Let me explain why. 

This thread is not actually dedicated to exploring the question of whether a human fetus is always a person from conception, and consequently whether abortion is always wrong.  I am sorry if the poll question and answer options misled you in that regard.  While a worthy topic for discussion, this thread is not that thread and if you want such a thread I invite you to begin a new one and post here with a link to that thread. 

This thread is dedicated to exploring the question of whether, should the law in the United States change such that abortion is illegal (due presumably to the judgment that a human fetus is always a person), a woman who goes to an abortionist to have an abortion should be punished along with the abortionist for the crime of committing abortion.  It seems to me that pretty clearly the answer would have to be yes, and I suspect you would agree with that determination.  Is that so? 

I'm no doctor but, it's an Embryo until 8-10 weeks. It only becomes a fetus after that. That fetus still cannot function on its own until week 21 at the earliest. And in most cases, if born then, it dies. 24ish weeks you could technically consider it a person with a very slim chance of surviving outside the womb.

Besides all that stuff, I consider this more important;

- Chances of child being born with medical conditions such as malformations, chromosomal abnormalities.
- Mother's life at risk.

I think it should be legal.

You could argue that the poor thing is a human being from the beginning of its existence. But you could also argue the opposite. Non of those statements have more truth than the other. Therefore, making a law that bans abortion and punishes the woman for doing it is essentially impose your own moral values to the entire population of your country. And that shouldn't be allowed at all.

What is the big deal ? - drive to airport, fly to other countries, do it, go back. Some time ago I read that there are about 10mln " tourist " that flied to other countries, even if abortion is legal in their countries, to avoid social stigma.

The problem what I wanted to discuss, is not relevant ( as u said ). 

If killing anything that could potentially become a human some day gets illegal, then fapping will be genocide.

It's next to impossible to draw a line here. So I say just let the people themselves decide.

Simply put, it's the person's choice uf they want to have an abortion or not. Odd how the people are so against abortion are the same ones who are against helping the struggling mother who can barely take care of her child. Force some silly teen to have a child and then tell her she's a horrible person because she's unable to care for the child that she didn't want in the first place. The same people who want government out of people's live also want government to forcefully make a life altering decision for you.

The women gave up the choice to decide about her body when she did not protect herself from being pregnant.  People say we are in a progressive society but forget that we also are accountable for our actions.  So it stop being about the woman once she became pregnant and started to be about her and her unborn child.  Abortion is the easy cop-op excuse to not own up to your mistake, especially today where there is a lot of contraceptive.

Even your logic does not make sense.  None of that stuff matters if you believe you are snuffing out a life because you do not want to deal with those situations.  You killed the potential of a human being for a selfish resolution to a problem.

If conception is considered the beginning of 'personhood', then what happens in the case of miscarriages, which happen more commonly than most expect? Do we invest resources to investigate if it was murder? Involuntary manslaughter? Do we charge the woman for neglect and abuse if she smoked or drank alcohol before she even knew she was pregnant?

This is why it's a problem deciding that a clump of cells with no human brain patterns inside of another human's womb is a person. Because if we do, that implies that they are owed all the same rights and the same treatment as any other person, which puts a far heavier and unfair burden on the woman.

Sometimes the informed, resposible choice is to terminate a pregnancy. How is it any less selfish to bring a life into the world that one cannot support emotionally or financially and would require government resources to care for? Your statements seem to be implying that a blastocyst/zygote/embryo/fetus's life has inherently more worth than the woman's, since they have ownership of her body and she has no right to 'evict' them. You also seem to imply that only women have to endure any sort of blame or burden of resposibility for 'not protecting herself from being pregnant', without ever mentioning any sort of punitive actions towards the male involved. He's not the one that has to carry it for nine months and put his life at an exponentially higher risk, despite contributing just as much to the process.

It's not as cut and dry as "Single woman slept around and got knocked up", either. Married women get abortions as well for various reasons. Sometimes because of health concerns, sometimes because of financial concerns. Perhaps a newlywed couple considered their options and decided that they weren't financially stable or emotionally prepared enough at the time to raise a child, but eventually would try again when they were? Is that irresponsible and selfish? Should no one have sex until their intent is to have children?