That's like saying, buying a Iphone 6s never looked more attractive RIGHT NOW before Iphone 7 launches in a few months.

Agree 100% with this, cards with HBM in the 6-12GB region will likely be in this pool of new GPU's as well. Right now is a properly bad time to build a PC, in a few months you can either get killer, top of the line tech with brand new architecture, or you can get past top of the line tech for a much lower price than right now.

The misconceptions in this thread already and the mirror arguments to boot. Thread is playing out exactly as I knew it would. Of course it;s super bad to build a PC at all, didn't you know that it's consoles>PC every time?. I'm honestly starting to give up on direct confrontation because it's the same people making the same misconceptions all the time, there is virtually no point in arguing if the same people are going to always spout the same shit.

You're right, this hasn't, but that's mainly because I have a relatively new gaming PC. But if I was planning to get a new gaming device, PS4 would seem less appealing than before, and there have been hints that Xbox might be taking the same direction some time in the future. And to me, that direction is something that acts against some of the advantages consoles have traditionally had against PC. Effectively PC's position has become stronger than before because the competition has lost some of its advantages. Of course this is only my personal opinion and yours might differ. I just wanted to point out how this can work in PC's favour.

Yeah, I'll just repeat your sentence, so those who don't understand might try to understand:

In a few months you can either get killer, top of the line tech with brand new architecture, or you can get past top of the line tech for a much lower price than right now.

As someone who's been building PCs since '95...folks, you never go for a new PC build when brand new tech is just about to be launched for the above reasons.

1. I don't think so, but please do point out my exaggerations. I did my best to avoid them but I'm sorry if I did exaggerate somewhere. You however did exaggerate about the upgrade needs with PCs.

2. I'm expecting games to perform better on the new model, in which case even if games work on both models, they'll perform worse on the old model. Effectively, in this case it's likely the old model is going to have games that perform worse than before. In practice I'm expecting to see more 30 FPS games than before, with 60 FPS versions being on the new model. Thus, less performane on the old model while the new model is going to cost more. It's not all black and white but this is an effect I'm expecting to see to an extent.

3. You talked about monthly upgrades. If you need to upgrade monthly, you're either doing it wrong or have too much money that you want to spend on upgrades. I didn't put a single word in your mouth, I just responded to your argument about there being so many upgrades on PC. I have nothing against choice.

4. I have no idea how this is relevant to anything, but OK. Good for you. In case you were wondering why I wrote that, I wrote it to back my claim that you don't need very many upgrades on PC.

5. I'm definitely not a fan of digital. I'd go back to physical any day if it digital wasn't so cheap (and if physical on PC didn't practically mean digital). On consoles, I still buy mainly physical just because I prefer it. Both have their benefits and it depends on you which one has better benefits. There's no objective truth about which one is better. And as for those other advantages, I did say they exist. I never claimed otherwise. I just said the gap becoming narrower. For example, controller support for new PC games is extremely common, especially in the case of games released on consoles as well. Not sure what you mean with your multiplayer point though.

6. I was looking at two specific advantages consoles had over PC, not all of them. You have a point but I don't think it's relevant in this discussion. It would be if we were trying to compare PC and consoles more comprehensively but last I checked, I never ventured there. And just for the record, both PC and consoles still have advantages over each other.

7. You don't need the most expensive graphics cards to have great performance on PC... Bad example. And your new PS4 model too is going to cost money. In fact, if you have the older model and want the new one too, the total cost will probably get pretty close to the cost of a gaming PC.

8. As I said, if you have the old model and want the new one too, the cost is going to be relatively close to a gaming PC. If you don't have a PS4 yet, you'll certainly save some money, but you'll also have been missing out on PS4 games for a while, and if you decide to get the cheaper model, you'll also miss out on better performance.

9. That'll be a shorter lifespan than before, and there's a reason it's being talked about as PS4K or PS4.5 instead of PS5. The situation is more confusing than when a new generation comes out, and there might not be as strong guarantees about compatibility as there were before. And what about the next model? Will it have the same compatibility? When will it come out? It'll be more unpredictable unless Sony has a policy about compatibility and the release cycle of new models.

10. Exactly! If you have to worry about things like upgrading, it's already much closer to PC gaming than before! That was the whole point... One advantage consoles had was that you didn't ever have to worry about upgrading until the next generation. Now, that's changing. And I have no idea why you had to mention that the world isn't all about me. I'm pretty sure I just pointed out a few problems with your claims. I even admitted consoles might still be the better choice for you! In my opinion, you seem to have a problem with reading comprehension because most of what you said either ignored my point, instead focusing on single words and sentences, or was irrelevant in the context of what I said. Yes, consoles still have some advantages. Yes, consoles lost some advantages. And yes, the new model can also be seen as an advantage. How it all sums up is up to you.

Steam has around 180-200 million *ACTIVE* users at this moment.

Here is how fast it went, these are official announcement by Valve.

30-10-2013: 65 million

15-01-2014: 75 million

23-09-2014: 100 million

BONUS: 12-09-2014: "There are 711 million PC gamers in the world today" says Intel 

24-02-2015: 125 million

So in 5 months 25 new million users which means 5 million per month, that's how "death" PC Gaming is.

Now let's take a look at consoles since 2009 (VGChartz --> Tools --> Hardware Year on Year --> 2009 to 2016 

Exactly what I wanted to say. The next batch of graphics cards should see a a nice boost to performance, especially with HBM RAM.

The jump from 28nm -> 14/16nm + FinFETs, is so big, you ll likely see graphics cards that are twice the power of the current ones once they release.

Its because we stayed at 28nm, skipped 20nm (which would be a normal gen jump), and went for 14/16nm instead.
So its double the proccessing node jump.

Then theres the 3D transistors that Intel call them, the FinFETs....


If you buy a top of the line card now, I wouldnt be surprised if a few months,
its not even worth half the price you payed for it.

That makes it a bad time to upgrade.
 You never upgrade right at the end of a cycle.

You dont do it at a double jump in processing node technology, where we re finally get FinFETs.

Unless your Okay with paying 300$ for a GPU, and a few months later its only worth 100$.

Then ofc go right ahead.