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Rumor: New PS4k/PS4.5 leak via NeoGAF - GPU twice as powerful, dev kits already in developers' hands, $399-$499

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nanarchy said:
krippaz said:
I maybe leave my PC and move to console if this happend. Hate all the weak console and 30 fps.

Really? if this becomes a trend in consoles I would do the opposite, it breaks one of the key benefits of the console model around fixed hardware raising dev costs and consumer costs. I currently game on both consoles and PC's but if this happens across the board I think it would be the death blow to consoles and better to just ditch consoles all together.

Exactly. If a game runs poorly on a console, it's not the console, it's the developer.

You can't just design whatever your heart desires and then make it and blame the console for only being able to handle it at 30fps. 

You can't paint a 6ft painting on a 5ft canvas. You gotta work WITH the hardware.



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If they aren't going to improve gaming with a new machine then who gives a shit and why bother.



LudicrousSpeed said:
If they aren't going to improve gaming with a new machine then who gives a shit and why bother.

 People with 4K TV's care, they want and are interested in a 4K ps4 bluray player, they want 4K content.



DM235 said:

Here is a better rumour:

PS4 Slim, coming this August, for $299 USD. It will have HDMI 2.0 support, and support Netflix and Sony 4K streaming services. It will have the same Bluray player as the current PS4, and play the same games as the current PS4.

^This  



ZahaDoom said:
nanarchy said:

Really? if this becomes a trend in consoles I would do the opposite, it breaks one of the key benefits of the console model around fixed hardware raising dev costs and consumer costs. I currently game on both consoles and PC's but if this happens across the board I think it would be the death blow to consoles and better to just ditch consoles all together.

Exactly. If a game runs poorly on a console, it's not the console, it's the developer.

You can't just design whatever your heart desires and then make it and blame the console for only being able to handle it at 30fps. 

You can't paint a 6ft painting on a 5ft canvas. You gotta work WITH the hardware.

10 Years ago they were working with a Much Weaker Hardware, that is the PS2, so why they cannot wait some years for the PS5, to came out ?.



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nanarchy said:
krippaz said:
I maybe leave my PC and move to console if this happend. Hate all the weak console and 30 fps.

Really? if this becomes a trend in consoles I would do the opposite, it breaks one of the key benefits of the console model around fixed hardware raising dev costs and consumer costs. I currently game on both consoles and PC's but if this happens across the board I think it would be the death blow to consoles and better to just ditch consoles all together.

If this becomes a trend for consoles, then their is very little need for PC's in most households. Microsoft is already basically turning Xbox into their in house PC brand, completing their hardware portfolio (Xbox = PC, Surface Book = Laptop, Surface = Tablet, Windows Phone = Smartphone). Sony is flinging the doors of the PlayStation Store open, and allowing PS4 and PSVR to be basically an open, but secure ecosystm (ala the App Store/Google Play). These consoles are becoming full blown, highly optimized PC's, with steamlined and highly optimized OS's. 

This kind of release schedule is actually going to lengthen the generation, while allowing consumers choice within the platform. It is going to give people a low cost entry tier, and high tiered devices as tech advances. This will allow Sony and Microsoft to lock to this generation longer, and allow PS5 and Xbox Two, to be massivly improved platforms, built around completly new tech, and focused on redering and game design teniques that are just not possible on PS4, PS4.1, PS4.2, etc.. 

On the development side, this is going to open the door to millions more consumers. As I said above, these consoles are becoming the home computer of the future. As they quickly make the transition to complete computing systems, the sales of common PC's will shift quickly to consoles. This is going to mean their will go from 60M PC/PS4/XBO users capable of playing current gen games, to a couple 100 million in a matter of a couple of years. There will be more people with devices capabale of playing the latest games than there ever has been in the history of the industry. Finally, at the end of the day, the amount of work to optimize a game for PS4 and PS4K will be much less than the current work being done to develope for PS4 and PS3. Once PS4K and XBOK arrive, I expect a complete stop in production and development on PS3 and 360, which will actually result in savings.

On a broader computing level. The raise of low cost highly optimized computing devices will be a tide that raises all ships. Having a baseline of PS4 and XBO will allow software outside of gaming to make massive leaps as well. Having 100's of millions of people all using the same devices will allow all software to be highly optimized, and that will lead to a better computing experience for everyone.



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KBG29 said:
nanarchy said:

Really? if this becomes a trend in consoles I would do the opposite, it breaks one of the key benefits of the console model around fixed hardware raising dev costs and consumer costs. I currently game on both consoles and PC's but if this happens across the board I think it would be the death blow to consoles and better to just ditch consoles all together.

If this becomes a trend for consoles, then their is very little need for PC's in most households. Microsoft is already basically turning Xbox into their in house PC brand, completing their hardware portfolio (Xbox = PC, Surface Book = Laptop, Surface = Tablet, Windows Phone = Smartphone). Sony is flinging the doors of the PlayStation Store open, and allowing PS4 and PSVR to be basically an open, but secure ecosystm (ala the App Store/Google Play). These consoles are becoming full blown, highly optimized PC's, with steamlined and highly optimized OS's. 

This kind of release schedule is actually going to lengthen the generation, while allowing consumers choice within the platform. It is going to give people a low cost entry tier, and high tiered devices as tech advances. This will allow Sony and Microsoft to lock to this generation longer, and allow PS5 and Xbox Two, to be massivly improved platforms, built around completly new tech, and focused on redering and game design teniques that are just not possible on PS4, PS4.1, PS4.2, etc.. 

On the development side, this is going to open the door to millions more consumers. As I said above, these consoles are becoming the home computer of the future. As they quickly make the transition to complete computing systems, the sales of common PC's will shift quickly to consoles. This is going to mean their will go from 60M PC/PS4/XBO users capable of playing current gen games, to a couple 100 million in a matter of a couple of years. There will be more people with devices capabale of playing the latest games than there ever has been in the history of the industry. Finally, at the end of the day, the amount of work to optimize a game for PS4 and PS4K will be much less than the current work being done to develope for PS4 and PS3. Once PS4K and XBOK arrive, I expect a complete stop in production and development on PS3 and 360, which will actually result in savings.

On a broader computing level. The raise of low cost highly optimized computing devices will be a tide that raises all ships. Having a baseline of PS4 and XBO will allow software outside of gaming to make massive leaps as well. Having 100's of millions of people all using the same devices will allow all software to be highly optimized, and that will lead to a better computing experience for everyone.

Sorry but given the day it is, I have to ask: Are you serious?



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KBG29 said:
nanarchy said:

Really? if this becomes a trend in consoles I would do the opposite, it breaks one of the key benefits of the console model around fixed hardware raising dev costs and consumer costs. I currently game on both consoles and PC's but if this happens across the board I think it would be the death blow to consoles and better to just ditch consoles all together.

If this becomes a trend for consoles, then their is very little need for PC's in most households. Microsoft is already basically turning Xbox into their in house PC brand, completing their hardware portfolio (Xbox = PC, Surface Book = Laptop, Surface = Tablet, Windows Phone = Smartphone). Sony is flinging the doors of the PlayStation Store open, and allowing PS4 and PSVR to be basically an open, but secure ecosystm (ala the App Store/Google Play). These consoles are becoming full blown, highly optimized PC's, with steamlined and highly optimized OS's. 

This kind of release schedule is actually going to lengthen the generation, while allowing consumers choice within the platform. It is going to give people a low cost entry tier, and high tiered devices as tech advances. This will allow Sony and Microsoft to lock to this generation longer, and allow PS5 and Xbox Two, to be massivly improved platforms, built around completly new tech, and focused on redering and game design teniques that are just not possible on PS4, PS4.1, PS4.2, etc.. 

On the development side, this is going to open the door to millions more consumers. As I said above, these consoles are becoming the home computer of the future. As they quickly make the transition to complete computing systems, the sales of common PC's will shift quickly to consoles. This is going to mean their will go from 60M PC/PS4/XBO users capable of playing current gen games, to a couple 100 million in a matter of a couple of years. There will be more people with devices capabale of playing the latest games than there ever has been in the history of the industry. Finally, at the end of the day, the amount of work to optimize a game for PS4 and PS4K will be much less than the current work being done to develope for PS4 and PS3. Once PS4K and XBOK arrive, I expect a complete stop in production and development on PS3 and 360, which will actually result in savings.

On a broader computing level. The raise of low cost highly optimized computing devices will be a tide that raises all ships. Having a baseline of PS4 and XBO will allow software outside of gaming to make massive leaps as well. Having 100's of millions of people all using the same devices will allow all software to be highly optimized, and that will lead to a better computing experience for everyone.

I would say the opposite, if this becomes a trend then consoles die without a doubt. between PC's and handheld devices consoles become irrelevant. The key advantage a console has is that fixed hardware target making it cost effective for both consumers and developers. without that all they are is a PC with a very poor feature set that nobody will want.



JEMC said:
KBG29 said:

If this becomes a trend for consoles, then their is very little need for PC's in most households. Microsoft is already basically turning Xbox into their in house PC brand, completing their hardware portfolio (Xbox = PC, Surface Book = Laptop, Surface = Tablet, Windows Phone = Smartphone). Sony is flinging the doors of the PlayStation Store open, and allowing PS4 and PSVR to be basically an open, but secure ecosystm (ala the App Store/Google Play). These consoles are becoming full blown, highly optimized PC's, with steamlined and highly optimized OS's. 

This kind of release schedule is actually going to lengthen the generation, while allowing consumers choice within the platform. It is going to give people a low cost entry tier, and high tiered devices as tech advances. This will allow Sony and Microsoft to lock to this generation longer, and allow PS5 and Xbox Two, to be massivly improved platforms, built around completly new tech, and focused on redering and game design teniques that are just not possible on PS4, PS4.1, PS4.2, etc.. 

On the development side, this is going to open the door to millions more consumers. As I said above, these consoles are becoming the home computer of the future. As they quickly make the transition to complete computing systems, the sales of common PC's will shift quickly to consoles. This is going to mean their will go from 60M PC/PS4/XBO users capable of playing current gen games, to a couple 100 million in a matter of a couple of years. There will be more people with devices capabale of playing the latest games than there ever has been in the history of the industry. Finally, at the end of the day, the amount of work to optimize a game for PS4 and PS4K will be much less than the current work being done to develope for PS4 and PS3. Once PS4K and XBOK arrive, I expect a complete stop in production and development on PS3 and 360, which will actually result in savings.

On a broader computing level. The raise of low cost highly optimized computing devices will be a tide that raises all ships. Having a baseline of PS4 and XBO will allow software outside of gaming to make massive leaps as well. Having 100's of millions of people all using the same devices will allow all software to be highly optimized, and that will lead to a better computing experience for everyone.

Sorry but given the day it is, I have to ask: Are you serious?

Can't be much more sincere, and you can read through my post history if that's not convincing enough. I 100% believe highly optimized device like PS4 and Xbox One are the Smartphone of the home, and we will see the XBO and PS4 platforms in more than half a billion homes in the next 5 years. There is simply no better value on the market for those looking for a home computer, set top box, or blu-ray player. You won't get a more capable Windows device this holiday for $250 than the Xbox One.



Stop hate, let others live the life they were given. Everyone has their problems, and no one should have to feel ashamed for the way they were born. Be proud of who you are, encourage others to be proud of themselves. Learn, research, absorb everything around you. Nothing is meaningless, a purpose is placed on everything no matter how you perceive it. Discover how to love, and share that love with everything that you encounter. Help make existence a beautiful thing.

Kevyn B Grams
10/03/2010 

KBG29 on PSN&XBL