Consoles have ALWAYS been the highly optimized home PC gaming machines, problem is NO productivity software.

The Web browsers suck, theres no other tools, ie word processors , email clients etc, no printer support, and Microsoft straigjt up refuses to acknowledge the Xbox is just a computer, they don't want to kill or compete with windows, and Sony doesn't seem interested in going beyond a "gaming / entertainment" machine.

I agree with you about the functionality of console but the MANUFACTURERS are NOT on board with this idea.

 A 3 year refresh cycle though kills the console market though,due to cost we need these things to last 5-7 years.

I mean the Xbone and Ps4 both technically could be steam boxes, do you ever hear anyone talk about that? They want their own backyards and they don't want anyone else playing in them, they want their own independent stores and CONTROL.

Half a billion PS4 and XboxOne consoles in the next 5 years? Wow.

I was going to argue with you, but if you really believe those things, whatever I could say would be useless with you.

I'll just say that we still know almost nothing about that PS4K, only rumors that while verify its existance, tells us little about what makes it different or better than the current one; and that this process of the future of yours will cost $400 for the original PS4 owners plus another $400 for the future machine. For $800 you have a very capable gaming PC that it's easier and cheaper to upgrade and that is a much better multi-purpose device.

Yes, he is serious and already said that, he think that Consoles can over-take PC, because they are Cheaper, and more Powerful, Microsoft, and Apple, sell more than 500 Millions of Devices with their OS, per Year, there is no way that Console can take PC, it would be the oposite, people would play on PC, consoles would die, and all the games would became Multiplataform with a Fragmantation of Stores, 1 Store for each Company, this way even companies never had a Console, would have the Rights  like the ones who had.

lets say 3 Consoles in 6 Years from the 3 manufacturers, this is 9 Consoles, for a average of 500US$, this means 4500US$, you can build a better PC with this, and because of that, Consoles would die, and PCs, would live.

Already beat you with a response

Using a socket for a few CPU's isn't something Intel created. Nearly all embedded CPU's re-use sockets for a while. It's just as easy to upgrade an ARM, MIPS and POWER machine as it is x86.

I didn't literally mean easy to upgrade the hardware, I mean terms of how doable it would be without messing up already developped games. But as I stated, I don't know what I'm talking about.

I'm the opposite I would love a $1200 console, but since I'm realistic and know that most people won't buy a console that expensive, I would like 2 skus sharing the same architecture so development for both is easy, one at $400 and the other at $1200, 3 times as fast/powerful with both an HDD and an SSD, also both should be available at launch.

I just don't really enjoy playing on PC, there's just too many annoyances, plus the fact I already spend too much time on my PC for work. Consoles are just more practical for gaming IMO.

What I don't like about this rumour is the 2X part, that's too little to even bother doing this.

I think bringing Windows 10 to Xbox one is awesome and it is another sign of the long term death of consoles as consoles offer less and less to differfentiate themselves. But the key point is as soon as you start regularly updating them the console has lost all benefits and abandoned much of its user base. Why buy a console when your PC can cast to your monitor and you don't have such restrictions on what you can upgrade, Microsoft are certainly positioned well if the push somehow occurs, would certainly be the death of playstation. But it just isn't going to happen, like it or not consumers are price sensitive and the approach of constant upgrades is directly against this as it raises the cost of game development and the cost of owning the console. I don't think we will see Sony do something so idiotic.

 Poor man's Console and a Rich man's? Again a console like thus would never get off the ground, there's already an environment like that it's the PC market. 

 A $300-$400 , one spec for all, level playing field, computer, otherwise known as a "console", that people can buy on a 5-6-7 year cycle and know that money gets them as cheap as possible to a leading edge in gaming for a few years with out spending anymore to upgrade, is the lifeblood of the console industry.

 I think a lot people would reject a two tiered console enviroment, and just get into PC gaming then. 

I mean you guys are talking about dismantling the only thing that distinguishes a console from a pc. 

PC gaming is a much different beast than console gaming though. On console everything just works. Every game is built to work in the framework of PSN or XBL. Everything on the consoles in unified, simple, and easy to understand. The process for updates in every aspect is miles easier than on PC.

The PC market is a complete mess right now. Steam brought things together for a few years,  but then other publishers saw what they were doing and decided that they should just do it for themselves. Now you have acoounts galore on PC, and every publishers has its own exclusive store. Along with those stores are propiatory network features and applications that have to be up to date to run their games. This means constant updates, and constant road blocks to playing. This experience is fine for people that put gaming first, but it does not work for those that just want the best expereince, and want it ready to go the handful of times they sit down and play each month. 

This is why this business model of scaleable consoles is going to take over. They are very cheap, very quite, very powerful, and very simple, and they are quickly moving to offering everything that PC does. They are the smartphones of the home computer market. They offer everyday needs like television, video streaming services, and web browsing. They offer occasional needs like Blu-ray playback, and gaming. Plus they offer productivity features like MS office. Consoles a quick and ready to go at all times, and that is just something PC can not achieve with the open enviornment, and that is why Microsoft built a console, and it is why they are turning Xbox One into a full on Windows 10 machine, within a controlled enviornment.