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Forums - Sales Discussion - Media Create Sales: Week 12, 2016 (Mar 21 - Mar 27)

Teeqoz on 30 March 2016
Soundwave said:
Teeqoz said:

What?

I didn't literally mean that more people would buy the PS4 version, just that the more people buy the PS4 version instead of the 3DS version, the better for SE.

Financially it's better for SE if the PS4 version sells 1.5 million and the 3DS version sells 2.5 million, than if the 3DS version sells 3 million and the PS4 version sells 1 million, despite both scenarios having a total of 4 million copies sold.

Not bias, it's pretty basic logic.

It's hilariously biased logic. You do realize the PS4 version probably costs like 10x more develop than the 3DS version?

Also there's no rule written in stone that 6000 yen is the maximum SE can charge for DQXI on 3DS. They can charge what ever they want. 

OMFG

The development costs don't matter here. Development costs only matter when discussing if it made financial sense to make a PS4 version in the first place. Now that they've already decided to make a PS4 version, those costs are already incurred and are irrelevant. What's important now is to maximize revenue from game sales, and the higher the PS4 version's share of the total sales, the higher the total revenue from game sales will be, because it will drive up ASP. (Average Selling Price)

 

I mean, do you not agree that the higher the PS4's share of total sales is, the more revenue SE will get? Because that isn't "biased" logic. Again, development costs would only matter if we were talking about SE only developping a 3DS version vs SE developping both versions. However that's not the scenarios we are talking about. We are comparing two scenarios were both versions will be made either way, so developping costs will be equal regardless of when each version releases.



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Soundwave on 30 March 2016
Teeqoz said:
Soundwave said:

It's hilariously biased logic. You do realize the PS4 version probably costs like 10x more develop than the 3DS version?

Also there's no rule written in stone that 6000 yen is the maximum SE can charge for DQXI on 3DS. They can charge what ever they want. 

OMFG

The development costs don't matter here. Development costs only matter when discussing if it made financial sense to make a PS4 version in the first place. Now that they've already decided to make a PS4 version, those costs are already incurred and are irrelevant. What's important now is to maximize revenue from game sales, and the higher the PS4 version's share of the total sales, the higher the total revenue from game sales will be, because it will drive up ASP. (Average Selling Price)

 

I mean, do you not agree that the higher the PS4's share of total sales is, the more revenue SE will get? Because that isn't "biased" logic. Again, development costs would only matter if we were talking about SE only developping a 3DS version vs SE developping both versions. However that's not the scenarios we are talking about. We are comparing two scenarios were both versions will be made either way, so developping costs will be equal regardless of when each version releases.

Facepalm. 

Of course development costs matter.

The profit margin on both versions is likely about the same, so I don't think SE cares much either way as they get paid the same. Yes the PS4/NX versions will have a higher price, but that's negated by a higher development cost. 

And there likely is an NX version here to factor in also. Depending on what the NX is I actually wouldn't be that shocked if the PS4 version might end up being the lowest selling version. 



Ryng on 30 March 2016

3DS version of Dragon Quest will outsell the PS4 by at least 2:1 unless the 3DS version is delayed, which is unlucky.



CloudLightning13 on 30 March 2016
Soundwave said:
Teeqoz said:

OMFG

The development costs don't matter here. Development costs only matter when discussing if it made financial sense to make a PS4 version in the first place. Now that they've already decided to make a PS4 version, those costs are already incurred and are irrelevant. What's important now is to maximize revenue from game sales, and the higher the PS4 version's share of the total sales, the higher the total revenue from game sales will be, because it will drive up ASP. (Average Selling Price)

 

I mean, do you not agree that the higher the PS4's share of total sales is, the more revenue SE will get? Because that isn't "biased" logic. Again, development costs would only matter if we were talking about SE only developping a 3DS version vs SE developping both versions. However that's not the scenarios we are talking about. We are comparing two scenarios were both versions will be made either way, so developping costs will be equal regardless of when each version releases.

Facepalm. 

Of course development costs matter.

The profit margin on both versions is likely about the same, so I don't think SE cares much either way as they get paid the same. Yes the PS4/NX versions will have a higher price, but that's negated by a higher development cost. 

And there likely is an NX version here to factor in also. Depending on what the NX is I actually wouldn't be that shocked if the PS4 version might end up being the lowest selling version. 

Ok, so first you told us that you BELIEVE that the PS4 version will come later than the 3DS version despite SE saying otherwise (like you know better)

Now you say that the NX version, which we don't know for if there will be one, it will outsell the PS4 version (i mean LOL are you even reading what you are writing)?

Next you will tell us that the PS4 version will be canceled. Maybe then you will be happy because from your comments (that don't make senses) you are salty that there is a PS4 version.



Soundwave on 30 March 2016
CloudLightning13 said:
Soundwave said:

Facepalm. 

Of course development costs matter.

The profit margin on both versions is likely about the same, so I don't think SE cares much either way as they get paid the same. Yes the PS4/NX versions will have a higher price, but that's negated by a higher development cost. 

And there likely is an NX version here to factor in also. Depending on what the NX is I actually wouldn't be that shocked if the PS4 version might end up being the lowest selling version. 

Ok, so first you told us that you BELIEVE that the PS4 version will come later than the 3DS version despite SE saying otherwise (like you know better)

Now you say that the NX version, which we don't know for if there will be one, it will outsell the PS4 version (i mean LOL are you even reading what you are writing)?

Next you will tell us that the PS4 version will be canceled. Maybe then you will be happy because from your comments (that don't make senses) you are salty that there is a PS4 version.

No I said I depending on what the NX is it wouldn't shock me if the NX version even outsold the PS4 version (3DS version obviously is likely to be no.1 no matter what). 

NX could overtake the PS4s rather tiny userbase in Japan fairly quickly if its a portable/hybrid/whatever and in that case why wouldn't it be likely to outsell the PS4 version?

This likely is why SE was anxious to jump the gun and mention the NX version ... they probably see it as a nice cash cow for them. 



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CloudLightning13 on 30 March 2016
Ryng_Tolu said:
3DS version of Dragon Quest will outsell the PS4 by at least 2:1 unless the 3DS version is delayed, which is unlucky.

After seeing Joker 3 numbers, and with the growth of PS4 which will be cheaper and may have received a slim version by then, i don't think that the difference will be that big. 



CloudLightning13 on 30 March 2016
Soundwave said:
CloudLightning13 said:

Ok, so first you told us that you BELIEVE that the PS4 version will come later than the 3DS version despite SE saying otherwise (like you know better)

Now you say that the NX version, which we don't know for if there will be one, it will outsell the PS4 version (i mean LOL are you even reading what you are writing)?

Next you will tell us that the PS4 version will be canceled. Maybe then you will be happy because from your comments (that don't make senses) you are salty that there is a PS4 version.

No I said I depending on what the NX is it wouldn't shock me if the NX version even outsold the PS4 version (3DS version obviously is likely to be no.1 no matter what). 

NX could overtake the PS4s rather tiny userbase in Japan fairly quickly if its a portable/hybrid/whatever and in that case why wouldn't it be likely to outsell the PS4 version?

PS4 is on it's way to 3 million with only 2 years in the market so it's not small by any means  and it will be at 4million+ when DQXI launches.



outlawauron on 30 March 2016

Not a bad week. Joker 3 obviously did poorly, but that's to be expected after low preorder numbers. DQH2 will also flop in a few weeks.

DOAX3 did as expected, will be shocked if Asia's sales aren't bigger. Dark Souls 3 is a bit lower than I wanted, but I'll wait till digital sales before making any strong statements.



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kurasakiichimaruALT on 30 March 2016

Looks like Sony snatch a lot of DQ fanbase from 3DS to me.



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TheGoldenBoy on 30 March 2016

PS4 did great. However, I'm a bit disappointed by Dark Souls 3's numbers. I was expecting at least 250k.