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Eagle367 on 02 May 2016
John2290 said:
Eagle367 said:
I believe freedom of speech is a little overrated. I mean if I go out in public give hate speeches every day bully with words trash on someone's way of living or race, then I should be arrested. If an artist does those things through art then so should he. If it's private then do whatever the hell you want but publicly there should always be censoring or pure anarchy can spread. You have no idea how powerful art and speech are so you have to control them lest they spread chaos anarchy unethical values propaganda or just plain garbage. The garbage that is being spewedin this age is already disturbing so what would happen if we let all hell break loose

You sound like J. Edgar Hoover pitching the FBI to the US government. 

Who is he? I am not murrican



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WolfpackN64 on 02 May 2016

Exploring, talking and writing about sensitive issues should never be censored. However, not all should be written in exploring some themes.

To give a clear example: writing about the holocaust is no problem. Denying the holocaust in written form should end with the writer being thrown in jail (arguably not for very long) or societal punishment.

In the case of The Interview. The film was tasteless, but except being offensive to North Koreans (who isn't a big deal), the movie warrants censorship in no way.



WolfpackN64 on 02 May 2016
John2290 said:
WolfpackN64 said:
Exploring, talking and writing about sensitive issues should never be censored. However, not all should be written in exploring some themes.

To give a clear example: writing about the holocaust is no problem. Denying the holocaust in written form should end with the writer being thrown in jail (arguably not for very long) or societal punishment.

In the case of The Interview. The film was tasteless, but except being offensive to North Koreans (who isn't a big deal), the movie warrants censorship in no way.

So its okay to deny the famine and detention camps in North Korea which can be seen, heard and touched right now? But denying the Holocoust, something there is only accounts, pictures and film footage of [sarcasm] and throw someone in jail because of it? I will use my right of free speech to deny your right to free thought! Think before you purpose an allegory to prove a point.

I think you jumped on my explanation a bit too quickly. Allow me to elaborate.

I mainly meant that the movie's humor was tasteless and could be considered somewhat offensive (but I did state the movie in no way warrants censorship). Of course people can freely talk about the North Korean work camps (or slave labour camps to be more accurate). They are real things and an affront to humanity, that was not wat I was saying. I was actually defending the movie.

But I stand by my point that denying the Holocaust should be punishable.



WolfpackN64 on 02 May 2016
John2290 said:
WolfpackN64 said:

I think you jumped on my explanation a bit too quickly. Allow me to elaborate.

I mainly meant that the movie's humor was tasteless and could be considered somewhat offensive (but I did state the movie in no way warrants censorship). Of course people can freely talk about the North Korean work camps (or slave labour camps to be more accurate). They are real things and an affront to humanity, that was not wat I was saying. I was actually defending the movie.

But I stand by my point that denying the Holocaust should be punishable.

But why and where would this thinking end? Jail someone for denying the moon landing? hmmm. Lock em up if they deny Evolution or maybe execute those who deny Allah? See where this leads?   A mad man tricked a nation into killing a load of Jews, get over it, freedom of speech is consideribly more important and its integrity is worth mine, yours and the lives of whole nations if it comes to a fight. Also, your thinking is hypocritical and that is what I was pointing at in my last post because if you imprison someone for denying the holocausr you deny all the lives lost and including Jews in defence of free speech.

That's a very bourgeois notion of free speech. You think free speech is worth fighting over everything else? You think we should let hate spread and let fascists beat the drums of war undisturbed. You would let media unnoposed in their Gramscian warfare against all that is progressive?

I would fight for real economic freedom and the equality of people. To make the world a place where no-one could or need to deny atrocities. But that's not the world we live in now and people who would see history revised ought to live with their consequences or move. Maybe to the USA, where your freedom is guaranteed untill you leak that the state is spying on you and then every idiot patriot in the book will come out of the floorboard and attack you.

I wanted to make this civil, but this is my final awnser. What you consider to be free speech is not worth fighting over.



WolfpackN64 on 02 May 2016
John2290 said:
WolfpackN64 said:

That's a very bourgeois notion of free speech. You think free speech is worth fighting over everything else? You think we should let hate spread and let fascists beat the drums of war undisturbed. You would let media unnoposed in their Gramscian warfare against all that is progressive?

I would fight for real economic freedom and the equality of people. To make the world a place where no-one could or need to deny atrocities. But that's not the world we live in now and people who would see history revised ought to live with their consequences or move. Maybe to the USA, where your freedom is guaranteed untill you leak that the state is spying on you and then every idiot patriot in the book will come out of the floorboard and attack you.

I wanted to make this civil, but this is my final awnser. What you consider to be free speech is not worth fighting over.

You seem to have disregarded everything I said, put your own spin on it without referencing it and then shoving a sign up saying, final anwser, I right, your wrong. You have got to be a polititan, am I right? ...Donald Trump is that you?

I'm not the one putting a wrong spin on my words twice. And yes, I'm affiliated with the youth organization of the Workers' Party of Belgium if that makes you happy.



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WolfpackN64 on 02 May 2016
John2290 said:
WolfpackN64 said:

I'm not the one putting a wrong spin on my words twice. And yes, I'm affiliated with the youth organization of the Workers' Party of Belgium if that makes you happy.

I think your Dutch to english internal converter and my fantastic Irishness may be conflicting here. I'm not antagoniszing you, man. However now that I know you are a politician, win on my part yay, I have to ask you, why is it you said the last comment was your final answer only to reply again? At the expense of your integrity and the little suited devil on your shoulder whispering sweet political, nothings in your left ear. This is my final answer! BooYeah.

Final arguments on VGChartz rarely tend to be real last arguments ^^



Eagle367 on 04 May 2016
John2290 said:
John2290 said:

Nor am I but I would have thought Hoover would be a globaly known name like ..Stalin, Mussolini and Hitler.

...oh and also, this thread is 32 days old, I don't think theres a Mod Anal enough to ban you for it, but I'd watch out in future. Bumping threads after 30 days is bannable offence.

Sorry just saw that blue sign.🙇

Will be careful next time



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