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MortienGerrux said:

joeorc said:

 So again Sony sold off SOE & their PC arm..Sony is out of PC market.. Why would they than turn around spend more money to support PC in any real meaningful way.. They again sold off SOE

Maybe because it would cost them like 100.000$ to make a good PC port for one of their exclusives, and they turn that into atleast 100M $ profit by selling 1-2 million copies (depends on which exclusive) 

Again that would defeat the purpose of having a PlayStation not a [PC] as the center hub for entertainment computing for the living room..

It makes sense for Microsoft, because PC Is a Microsoft platform for those running a Windows OS powered PC..but again Sony Sold off SOE, why sell off a,PC development studio to just turn right around and Have to make yet another PC development Studio?

 

Think about this Playstation Opened up a development studio for Mobile smartphone's which smartphone OS would be Sony's main target for these smart phone game's?

Not windows phone I can tell you that.

It seems many think Sony needs PC. To make profit, with out PC many seem to think Sony cannot have a  sustainable PlayStation platform going forward. But I do not think Sony wants to invest into a platform that they sold off assets off in the 1st place at least nothing more than streaming to PC being really the only thing if that.



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joeorc said:
zero129 said:

Clearly you know Streaming from a console is not the same as having a Digital Store on that platform.

You also talk about why would Sony allow such a thing on PC, but go on to talk about how they support Android (Based on Linux, a PC OS).

For the very same reason that Sony supports Android is why they will want to allow their service to be used on PC's, so they can reach as many users as possible, and lock as many users and devices into their store as they can.

Them smart top Android boxes that you say Sony is in full support of, is more of a treat to Playstation "console" brand (Not their digital store) then PC's are.

Why would a user buy a Playstation console when they can buy a small Android box or use their Android Phone that can plug into their TV use their PS joypad and play on that using PSNow??.

This is your main argument for why they wouldnt support the PC Platform so why support Android when its a bigger treat to their console?.

I mean wouldnt it be in Sonys best Interest to have a "Playstation" console as the ultimate living room streaming box?, so why support any of the compition at all??.

Could it be that Sony knows going forword the is more Money to be made from having their Store usable on any device instead of locking it to just one??.

 

 

 

Again why do they need to support PC when Android OS is Sony's own OS for the living room..

 

Windows Is is not Sony's OS , SteamOS is not their OS..Android OS... IS

 

Its about keeping the PC out of the living room!

Microsoft is about expanding the PC into the living room.

 

Which makes more sense, support PC 

Or put Playstation Software & services inside the TV itself IE: smartTV's and put PlayStation Software and services into Streaming Box's like Other Android OS box's.

 

Sony does not need PC, PC as a market is already established..while Sony is carving out their market in the living room.

PlayStation is the center Hub..these other box's or smartTV's are just another playstation Node in Sony's Playstation Eco system.

 

Again they would not give up making a box to go under the TV instead help the PC go there instead. Many think that way , and that's OK for such an opinion, but in my opinion..Sony has a vested interest in support of AndroidOS over Windows..and that's what we are really talking about here really..

 

When people talk PC support on here are they really talking Linux, or Microsoft windows OS powered?

 

Again why would Sony have to support PC Eco system over their own..they make and support the Android OS and that's the number #1 OS for smartTV's and living room streaming box's and Sony has not only xperia brand products they make Android smart TV's.

Good way to totally ignore my main points!.

First Android OS is not owned by Sony, so why even support it?. Wouldnt they of been better to build their own version that can only be used on their own systems??.

PC Gaming market has been seeing its fastest growed in like forever!, and yet your trying to say the Market is not expending!. Then why is PC Digital Stores always seeing YoY growth with Steam showing massive growth??. Do you really believe Sony doesnt want a piece of that pie??.

Also Sony will do what 3rd partys dictate. See thats the thing about Consoles you could be a Winner 1 gen and a loser the next, and this is the point in making your Digital Store grow as it doesnt matter what box is in the sitting room or bedrooms its about making sure your service works on everyone of them.

If you really think that Sony doesnt see Stores like Steam, Origin, Uplay, Google Playstore, IOS App Store, Windows Store etc as bigger threat to their "Gaming brand" your strangly mistaking.

Like i said, if it was the case that Sony seen "PC's being in the living room" as the threat, they also wouldnt be supporting Android since thats a bigger treath

You can try saying "But Sony doesnt need to support PC's" and your right they dont, if all what they want on their "Android PSN Store" is there own games and the other Android ports. Its Clear 3rd partys will continue to release their AAA games on PC's, but why would they then port them games to Android to run on Sonys Store?? what would they have to gain from this unless the hardware was powerful enough and this is the thing.

Android boxes will "Never" be as powerful as PC's until they start running the same PC Hardware, since PC hardware is also always evolving and growing, and then at that point Why would anyone even install an Android OS instead of a proper PC OS since the PC OS would have much more support from Hardware to games??.

You see you talk a good talk but your not taking a lot of things into account.

This isnt about Stopping PC's from entering the living room for Sony. Its about Making sure that it doesnt become impossible to compete with them other Digital Stores. Its about locking in the users no matter what device or OS they use, cos as a Company you dont want them going to another store and getting locked in there.

But this is the last im going to say on it. Its not hard to see where markets are going if you really look with un biased eyes, and i no longer wish to be taking this thread off topic. But if you really would like to continue talking about such things then maybe you should just make a thread about it.



Don't see why not since the DS4's are usable on PC.
I am not into VR so I couldn't care less to be perfectly honest. If I was going to buy VR ill save for the Vive because I know Valve, they might make an exclusive game for it one day.



aLkaLiNE said:
MortienGerrux said:

Maybe because it would cost them like 100.000$ to make a good PC port for one of their exclusives, and they turn that into atleast 100M $ profit by selling 1-2 million copies (depends on which exclusive) 

Youre confusing the word revenue with profit. 

Renevue 100.000.000$

Costs: 100.000$

Profit: 99.900.000$



zero129 said:

[Good way to totally ignore my main points!.]

 

I did not ignore your points, I'm pointing out what may work for Microsoft or Valve may not work for Sony.

 

[First Android OS is not owned by Sony, so why even support it?.]

Because once again its an A) open platform, B) Sony is part of the Open handset alliance.

C) makes Android OS powered TV's & Makes Android OS powered Smart phones.

Do Sony make Windows OS powered Smart TV' or Smartphone's?

[Wouldnt they of been better to build their own version that can only be used on their own systems??.]

 

Who said that they would not? They sure as hell is not making another dedicated game Handheld anymore or a dedicated PC like they used to.

 

[PC Gaming market has been seeing its fastest growed in like forever!, and yet your trying to say the Market is not expending!. Then why is PC Digital Stores always seeing YoY growth with Steam showing massive growth??. Do you really believe Sony doesnt want a piece of that pie??.]

 

That's like asking Microsoft do you see how fast the mobile market is growing , why make a windows phone OS..just why not make a Android OS based smartphone instead. Lol

 

[Also Sony will do what 3rd partys dictate. See thats the thing about Consoles you could be a Winner 1 gen and a loser the next, and this is the point in making your Digital Store grow as it doesnt matter what box is in the sitting room or bedrooms its about making sure your service works on everyone of them.]

 

And that is also saying the same for anything..

You are acting like its always about selling the most , or "you need to" well if that was the case why did Sony sell off SOE? It was a PC development Studio, but yet Sony Sold it off?

If it was that d@mn lucrative  for Sony in the PC market why sell it off in the 1st place?

 

[If you really think that Sony doesnt see Stores like Steam, Origin, Uplay, Google Playstore, IOS App Store, Windows Store etc as bigger threat to their "Gaming brand" your strangly mistaking.]

 

There you go again, you put in Windows Store..that only reference in to windows 10 & Xbox one that does not include 7/8.2 or vista..

What is if Sony decides , such as you mentioned since Android is Linux based goes for the sake of Argument with Steam OS support for Playstation VR and makes a PlayStation Store for Steam OS instead of Windows 10 store?

 

Did you think of that? Many on here 1st thing they thought was Windows OS 10 support, I doubt if you want to be honest many even entertained Valve with its steamOS getting the support instead of Microsoft.

[Like i said, if it was the case that Sony seen "PC's being in the living room" as the threat, they also wouldnt be supporting Android since thats a bigger treath]

 

Again how is that even the case..Don't sold off their PC arm, SOE, Sony makes Android OS smart phones not Windows phone powered Smartphone's , Sony Makes Android OS powered smart TV's they do not make smart TV's with windows OS powering them. And yet Sony is creating a playstation Smartphone development studio, and you think Android OS is s bigger threat than PC with Windows OS?

 

[You can try saying "But Sony doesnt need to support PC's" and your right they dont, if all what they want on their "Android PSN Store" is there own games and the other Android ports. Its Clear 3rd partys will continue to release their AAA games on PC's, but why would they then port them games to Android to run on Sonys Store?? what would they have to gain from this unless the hardware was powerful enough and this is the thing.]

 

Who said they would? Android OS HSS their own developer studios and publishers..the default Graphics API is Vulkan for AndroidOS.

Because of this very fact one Graphics API can be coded, just as in PC Windows OS with DirectX you can code, so can Developers for Android do the same.

 

[Android boxes will "Never" be as powerful as PC's until they start running the same PC Hardware, since PC hardware is also always evolving and growing, and then at that point Why would anyone even install an Android OS instead of a proper PC OS since the PC OS would have much more support from Hardware to games??]

See right there, the Living room computer entertainment platform is not being the PC is not in the  driver seat..its low cost single board computers that have low power requirements, low cost and right now that's ARM holdings chipsets..the #1 OS is AndroidOS, and Android is a OS calling it or implying its not a "proper OS" just shows the arrogance in that statement.


[You see you talk a good talk but your not taking a lot of things into account.]

I am taking many things into account.

 

[This isnt about Stopping PC's from entering the living room for Sony.]

Yes it is for Sony's playstation console. Both a PC & a console can sit under the TV..you think Sony wants to see a PC under the TV instead of a playstation? Microsoft wants that, but Sony as hell does not want to see that.

 

[Its about Making sure that it doesnt become impossible to compete with them other Digital Stores. Its about locking in the users no matter what device or OS they use, cos as a Company you dont want them going to another store and getting locked in there.]

 

If that's the case why build a store yourself and just go with the larger well established stores? Its like asking Microsoft why make a windows phone Is at all? Why not just make all your windows phone games and applications on Android and iOS..because that's exactly what your implying.. If your not than I'm am Sorry if that's not what your saying.. Again why would Sony support The PC market now other than streaming , if they sold off their PC assets..

 

If you are saying Sony would make their PlayStation iP's on PC as a platform just like Microsoft does with its Xbox one ..than again what is if for the sake of argument Sony instead choose Valve and Steam OS instead?

Not make as much money? Than? Windows store is now just Windows 10 devices while steam support is windows 7,8.1 & Vista would Sony need to support windows 10 also?

But this is the last im going to say on it. Its not hard to see where markets are going if you really look with [un biased eyes], and i no longer wish to be taking this thread off topic. But if you really would like to continue talking about such things then maybe you should just make a thread about it.

 

One could ask you the same thing..again why would Sony need to make a PlayStation store is if Sony's main platform is consoles not PC?

Its one thing to make a store trying to cash in, its another to compete with your own platform for priority over one that your main target is completely the opposite market than the one you are in..Again Don't sold off SOE, & their PC arm..

But invested more into Mobile not PC!



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MortienGerrux said:
aLkaLiNE said:

Youre confusing the word revenue with profit. 

Renevue 100.000.000$

Costs: 100.000$

Profit: 99.900.000$

If that was the case..why sell off SOE!



I AM BOLO

100% lover "nothing else matter's" after that...

ps:

Proud psOne/2/3/p owner.  I survived Aplcalyps3 and all I got was this lousy Signature.

MortienGerrux said:
aLkaLiNE said:

Youre confusing the word revenue with profit. 

Renevue 100.000.000$

Costs: 100.000$

Profit: 99.900.000$

There are barely any exclusives that ever gross 99mil in profits, let alone delayed ports. Those figures are totally unreasonable 



aLkaLiNE said:
MortienGerrux said:

Renevue 100.000.000$

Costs: 100.000$

Profit: 99.900.000$

There are barely any exclusives that ever gross 99mil in profits, let alone delayed ports. Those figures are totally unreasonable 

99.900.000/59.99= 1.665.228 copies to sell.



MortienGerrux said:
aLkaLiNE said:

There are barely any exclusives that ever gross 99mil in profits, let alone delayed ports. Those figures are totally unreasonable 

99.900.000/59.99= 1.665.228 copies to sell.

So again why worry about selling to PC anyway..

Microsoft is splitting unified windows 10 & Xbox to now shift windows 7 & 8.1 and Vista to legacy why support windows 10 over the legacy Windows OS's & steamOS?.because windows store is mainly for windows 10 is powered devices..

If it was all about Profit!

Again Sony as a company that has divested themselves of all PC...that's No SOE, no production of PC manufacturing anymore.

Spending more to now spend on PC development & support outside of Console's is also going to cost more than just spending on console development.

 

It makes sense for playstation Smart phones because Sony makes smart phones, they do not make PC's

Say Sony set up a PC store why would it be for Windows OS at all? If they went with SteamOs its Linux Ubuntu based, Like AndroidOS they both Use The standard Graphics API Vulkan, with Windows they would have to code for Vulkan and DirectX if they want the best performance on Windows OS machines.



I AM BOLO

100% lover "nothing else matter's" after that...

ps:

Proud psOne/2/3/p owner.  I survived Aplcalyps3 and all I got was this lousy Signature.

joeorc said:
MortienGerrux said:

99.900.000/59.99= 1.665.228 copies to sell.

So again why worry about selling to PC anyway..

Microsoft is splitting unified windows 10 & Xbox to now shift windows 7 & 8.1 and Vista why support windows 10 over the legacy Windows OS's & steamOS?.

If it was all about Profit?

Again Sony as a company divested themselves of all PC...that's No SOE, no production of PC manufacturing anymore.

Spending more to now spend on PC development outside of Console's is also going to cost more than just spending on console development.

 

Say Sony set up a PC store why would it be for Windows OS at all? If they went with SteamOs its Linux Ubuntu based, Like AndroidOS they both Use The standard Graphics API Vulkan, with Windows they would have to code for Vulkan and DirectX if they want the best performance on Windows OS machines.

Goodluck selling 1.665.228 copies on Linux/SteamOs or Android OS.