Bookmaker for this thread.

OT: No it won't, should probabily sell barely more than 6.5 million. People overestimate the effect that some games are gonna do, expecially Persona 5, since all considering, it will probabily sell less than Black Ops III on PS4.

Well at this moment their is no proof that it will be certain that PS4 will beat PS3 or that PS4 will not beat PS3 LTD sales.

I find it hard to say that PS4 is doing great, if PS2 sold 40K a week people would create articles how PS2 is dying because at average the PS2 was selling in one week what PS4 sells in a month. Ofcourse time changes but even compared to PS3 it is not doing that great, the PS3 had everything against it, the Wii was selling amazingly and got exclusives announced on a weekly basis, the Xbox 360 was catching games that PS3 did not get or later...And ofcourse the price..

The PS4 has all the exclusives/competition is weak but still it did not beat the WiiU yet in LTD sales while many predicted it would outsell the WiiU in no time and the price for the PS4 is cheap compared to PS3...

Also we see a decline in some franchises on PS4, MGSV did not so good compared to MGSIV and MGSV was an exclusive in Japan so the potential 4000 sales on Xbox one could not have hurt it, Street fighter V released as an exclusive in Japan compared to SFIV and barely outsold the Xbox 360 first week in Japan of SFIV.. Star ocean V pre orders on PS4 are not doing that great and has the potential to sell less than the Xbox 360 version of SOIV in Japan... Really if someone made a thread two months ago will SOV in Japan for PS4 sell more than SOIV on Xbox 360 FW I would have posted yes like probably 98% of the users on VGCHARTZ. Is it because those games are bad? Is it because the mobile market keeping gamers away from PS4? Is it the average age gamers demographic in Japan getting smaller?    

I dont, and I don't think those games will matter.

You think Persona 5 is going to sell less than 350k on the PS4?...

Swordmasterman said:

What the fuck ?, did you know how much each game sold on Japan ?, Final Fantasy, already sold with 1 Tittle more than 3.5 Millions on Japan, Dragon Quest, already sold more than 4.3-4.5 Millions with just 1 main tittle, those are the biggest Third Party games of japan, and you think that this will not Affect sales  of Hardware ?, the Lowest week opening for a Final Fantasy Game, was how much ?, 1.3-1.5 Millions ?.

The Biggest oppening for a Persona game, was a little more than 200 Thousands first week on Japan, this is a Strong franchise there, look at how many games struggle to make it on Germany, and UK, the other biggest markets for gaming, Comparing this with a New brand release, Persona 5 (that will be bigger than Persona 4), is on the Same size for Japan, than Far Cry 4, for Germany, and UK, with all the Versions of Far Cry 4(PC, PS3, XBOX  360, PS4, Xbox One) on UK, it sold nearly 200 Thousands, same for Germany, and the biggest oppening for the series of Persona, was 200K.

So you want to say if Something like Far Cry 4, launch exclusive for Germany, or UK, it would not sell Hardware ?, wtf.

People purchase consoles because of the games, and because PS4, is getting a lot of japanese games this year, the sales had a  YOY Growth, i don't know who said that PS4, will only sell 3-4 Millions Life-time on Japan, with Final Fantasy 15, Dragon Quest 11, and Persona 5, it mighty break 4 Millions before the end of the year on Japan.

I predict 500,000 all version combined, and yeah i think some like 350k or so for PS4.

Black Ops III should sell over 350,000, but under 400,000 lifetime. So yeah, i think Black Ops III will win.

I'd be disappointed if the PS4 version is below 400k so my prediction is >500k for the PS4 version alone.

Could be. But that's a really, really big increase for the series... i know the series is stronger than one time, but i really don't see that big increase.

What do you expect for PS3 version?