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Farsala on 13 March 2016
KLAMarine said:
Farsala said:

Its hard to pinpoint the reason for success on the N64. When the PS1 got $100 then $50 pricecut its hardly helped sales, then all of a sudden FF7 is released and its sales skyrocket to never before seen sales. The success of FFVII of course lead to FFVIII and FFIX success. Meanwhile Super mario 64 sadly did not get a sequel.

Gran Turismo sold more than FF7 so by the same reasoning one could argue GT had a greater impact on PlayStation's sales. The PlayStation's success can be attributed to many releases the likes of FF7 and Gran Turismo.

Whatever the case, when I compared SM64 to FF7, I wasn't looking at sales despite the fact that the sales numbers and attach rate were in SM64's favor. As stated in one of my previous posts, I took a good look at the industry as a whole and at that point in time, the major innovation in that generation was the transition from 2d to 3d. This tipped the scales for SM64 for me seeing as how FF7, being a turn-based game, doesn't exactly take full advantage of the new dimension.

Also, there's just something symbolic about a franchise once so married to 2d so ably transitioning to 3d and taking full advantage of it.

Did you look at the graphs I quoted? FFVII caused that spike not Gran Turismo. Gran Turismo certainly helped, but FFVII started the spike and put PS1 on the map. After Gran  Turismo released, PS1 sales declined but it certainly helped keep PS1 sales afloat.

I certainly do not like FFVII as much as SM64 or many other games released that gen. But FFVII certiainly had the most impact.



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KLAMarine on 13 March 2016
Farsala said:

Did you look at the graphs I quoted? FFVII caused that spike not Gran Turismo. Gran Turismo certainly helped, but FFVII started the spike and put PS1 on the map. After Gran  Turismo released, PS1 sales declined but it certainly helped keep PS1 sales afloat.

I certainly do not like FFVII as much as SM64 or many other games released that gen. But FFVII certiainly had the most impact.

Actually, I don't think the graph you linked is correct. FF7, according to vgchartz, released in January of 1997, not September 1997 as depicted on the graph. The sales trend doesn't change much following FF7's release in January. I think you might be giving FF7 too much credit and not enough to games like Gran Turismo which released in Japan December 1997. One should also consider releases like Tomb Raider 2, Grand Theft Auto, Parappa, and Crash 2 which are much closer to the spike than FF7 was.



Farsala on 13 March 2016
KLAMarine said:
Farsala said:

Did you look at the graphs I quoted? FFVII caused that spike not Gran Turismo. Gran Turismo certainly helped, but FFVII started the spike and put PS1 on the map. After Gran  Turismo released, PS1 sales declined but it certainly helped keep PS1 sales afloat.

I certainly do not like FFVII as much as SM64 or many other games released that gen. But FFVII certiainly had the most impact.

Actually, I don't think the graph you linked is correct. FF7, according to vgchartz, released in January of 1997, not September 1997 as depicted on the graph. The sales trend doesn't change much following FF7's release in January. I think you might be giving FF7 too much credit and not enough to games like Gran Turismo which released in Japan December 1997. One should also consider releases like Tomb Raider 2, Grand Theft Auto, Parappa, and Crash 2 which are much closer to the spike than FF7 was.

^Ka-pi96 post.

Japans spike was 1997 and corresponds to FFVII releasing so early, US spike was holidays 97+98 corresponding with FFVII releasing so late in 97, and Europe had a spike in 1998 for FFVII, but had a bigger spike for 1999 due to their preference for GT.



KLAMarine on 13 March 2016
Ka-pi96 said:
KLAMarine said:

Actually, I don't think the graph you linked is correct. FF7, according to vgchartz, released in January of 1997, not September 1997 as depicted on the graph. The sales trend doesn't change much following FF7's release in January. I think you might be giving FF7 too much credit and not enough to games like Gran Turismo which released in Japan December 1997. One should also consider releases like Tomb Raider 2, Grand Theft Auto, Parappa, and Crash 2 which are much closer to the spike than FF7 was.

January was only Japan. September was the US release date. Then November in Europe.

Ah, I see. Still, we don't see much the month of September after FF7's release and other very notable games released alongside it right before the spike. FF7 didn't do it alone.



KLAMarine on 13 March 2016
Farsala said:
KLAMarine said:

Actually, I don't think the graph you linked is correct. FF7, according to vgchartz, released in January of 1997, not September 1997 as depicted on the graph. The sales trend doesn't change much following FF7's release in January. I think you might be giving FF7 too much credit and not enough to games like Gran Turismo which released in Japan December 1997. One should also consider releases like Tomb Raider 2, Grand Theft Auto, Parappa, and Crash 2 which are much closer to the spike than FF7 was.

^Ka-pi96 post.

Japans spike was 1997 and corresponds to FFVII releasing so early, US spike was holidays 97+98 corresponding with FFVII releasing so late in 97, and Europe had a spike in 1998 for FFVII, but had a bigger spike for 1999 due to their preference for GT.

Like I told Ka-pi, we don't see much the month of September after FF7's release and other very notable games released alongside it right before the spike. It would be foolish to attribute the spike to FF7 alone.



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Farsala on 13 March 2016
KLAMarine said:
Ka-pi96 said:

January was only Japan. September was the US release date. Then November in Europe.

Ah, I see. Still, we don't see much the month of September after FF7's release and other very notable games released alongside it right before the spike. FF7 didn't do it alone.

? After a $100 pricecut the holiday month of November couldn't even outsell FFVII September. I am not saying those other games didn't have an effect.

I am saying FFVII had the most effect. From launch of FFVII is t he biggest turning point for almost any console.

Like I am trying to be as unbiased as possible because I like Super Mario 64 more then FFVII. But from a sales standpoint its arguable Super Mario 64 didn't do much to push hardware just as you are arguing for FFVII. Mario Kart 64 released very soon after SM64 as well, even shorter time between releases then FFVII and other big games.



KLAMarine on 13 March 2016
Farsala said:
KLAMarine said:

Ah, I see. Still, we don't see much the month of September after FF7's release and other very notable games released alongside it right before the spike. FF7 didn't do it alone.

? After a $100 pricecut the holiday month of November couldn't even outsell FFVII September. I am not saying those other games didn't have an effect.

I am saying FFVII had the most effect. From launch of FFVII is t he biggest turning point for almost any console.

Like I am trying to be as unbiased as possible because I like Super Mario 64 more then FFVII. But from a sales standpoint its arguable Super Mario 64 didn't do much to push hardware just as you are arguing for FFVII. Mario Kart 64 released very soon after SM64 as well, even shorter time between releases then FFVII and other big games.

And as I've said, I place much more emphasis on other factors besides sales alone.



Farsala on 13 March 2016
KLAMarine said:
Farsala said:

? After a $100 pricecut the holiday month of November couldn't even outsell FFVII September. I am not saying those other games didn't have an effect.

I am saying FFVII had the most effect. From launch of FFVII is t he biggest turning point for almost any console.

Like I am trying to be as unbiased as possible because I like Super Mario 64 more then FFVII. But from a sales standpoint its arguable Super Mario 64 didn't do much to push hardware just as you are arguing for FFVII. Mario Kart 64 released very soon after SM64 as well, even shorter time between releases then FFVII and other big games.

And as I've said, I place much more emphasis on other factors besides sales alone.

Thats why I said from a sales standpoint, which you seemed to take issue with. I never had a problem with your listing, I disagreed with it and gave my list as others have from their respective viewpoints.



SvennoJ on 13 March 2016
soonyfanboy said:

lol!?

i'll go with the obvious ones

 

pong
pac man
mario
pokemon
call of duty
wii sport / kinect
minecraft

Finally someone mentions Minecraft.

Mario is rightly seen as a big influence yet Minecraft has pretty much put early access on the map, and has become the biggest game for the next generation of kids growing up. It's even used in schools. Minecraft is played almost daily by my kids for years already. No other game can top that. Minecraft can also be seen as a poster child of the bedroom coder making it back into the game industry, the rise of indies, and the crafting/building/survival craze.

Any of these lists in 10 years will certainly include it.



KLAMarine on 13 March 2016
Farsala said:
KLAMarine said:

And as I've said, I place much more emphasis on other factors besides sales alone.

Thats why I said from a sales standpoint, which you seemed to take issue with.

I do considering SM64 sold more than FF7 but somehow FF7 wins out. I'm just trying to understand your logic.