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Lafiel said:
Aeolus451 said:

Aren't you pushing that shit too far?

hm? but he "tells it like it is", "doesn't speak through a filter, political correctness is garbage"

Yea he talked about his penis size on national tv at a presidential debate smh lol



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Every civilized country and even some not so civilized countries all have free health care for all citizens. That is except for the USA smh! These are just a few that do... UK, Australia, Canada, Japan, Germany (we taught those last 2 Democracy after WW2 and they are putting us to shame now smh), France, Cuba etc



Stop being sore losers and repeatedly interrupting Trump's rallies. If you want to support Bernie or Hillary Clinton, then go out and do your part and vote for them. The consistent theme that I see on the Democratic side is not taking responsibility for their own actions.

Did the guy get lost and think this was a Bernie Sanders rally? Did he think that Trump supporters would be kind to him and give him flowers? Perhaps his next stunt would be to jump into a cage full of lions and then blame the lion for ripping off one of his limbs. In other words, I consistently see Democrats overlook the source of the real problem.

What we are all seeing in these videos is very simple:
It is basically a bunch of Bernie Sanders supporters (protesters) who are pissed off when they found out their Democratic Party isn't actually a democracy, which is ultimately causing their candidate of choice to lose badly. Perhaps your anger should be pointed at the Democratic Party (the source) instead of Donald Trump.



TaMpAbLaCk said:
Every civilized country and even some not so civilized countries all have free health care for all citizens. That is except for the USA smh! These are just a few that do... UK, Australia, Canada, Japan, Germany (we taught those last 2 Democracy after WW2 and they are putting us to shame now smh), France, Cuba etc

Australia doesn't have free healthcare. It's not as bad as the US but it's definitely not free.



Wiibaron said:
Why is the video [and coverage] cut to after the man went to elbow him? What about the 1 minute before that? What was this protester doing/saying? Just like the first time this happened where the BLM guy was surrounded and removed, if you get to see the minute before the 'evil Trump dummy attacks innocent black guy' you see the black guy punch an old man and then kick and flail when he gets off balance and falls. Be suspicious of any video that doesn't show at least the 15 seconds before the melee starts...

Do you have a source for this?

EDIT: Misread your post, thought you said that the protester punching an old man happened during this rally.



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TaMpAbLaCk said:
Every civilized country and even some not so civilized countries all have free health care for all citizens. That is except for the USA smh! These are just a few that do... UK, Australia, Canada, Japan, Germany (we taught those last 2 Democracy after WW2 and they are putting us to shame now smh), France, Cuba etc

There no such thing as "free" healthcare. Somebody is paying for it. There's pros and cons to both kinds of healthcare. It's actually better for the world if not everyone is conforming to same thing.



Aeolus451 said:
TaMpAbLaCk said:
Every civilized country and even some not so civilized countries all have free health care for all citizens. That is except for the USA smh! These are just a few that do... UK, Australia, Canada, Japan, Germany (we taught those last 2 Democracy after WW2 and they are putting us to shame now smh), France, Cuba etc

There no such thing as "free" healthcare. Somebody is paying for it. There's pros and cons to both kinds of healthcare. It's actually better for the world if not everyone is conforming to same thing.

True, but the USA pays more than 7 times what say Mexico pays for only slightly better health care.  Think about it 7 times more, for an only marginally better system.  Imagine if one console was 7 more than the other – would you recommend the significantly more expensive one?

The problem with the USA's health care is that much of the dollars go to line other people profit pockets.  Much of the money is funneled into wealthy shareholders - who did nothing to earn it other than buy some stock.  This is waste that could actually go to help people.

Anyway, back to Trump.  His supports should remember 'Freedom of Expression.'  But that is assuming they read the US Constitution.

 You may hate what they say, but they have a right to say it.

 



 

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Aeolus451 said:
TaMpAbLaCk said:
Every civilized country and even some not so civilized countries all have free health care for all citizens. That is except for the USA smh! These are just a few that do... UK, Australia, Canada, Japan, Germany (we taught those last 2 Democracy after WW2 and they are putting us to shame now smh), France, Cuba etc

There no such thing as "free" healthcare. Somebody is paying for it. There's pros and cons to both kinds of healthcare. It's actually better for the world if not everyone is conforming to same thing.

I feel like you don't really understand it.  People like arguing against universal health care (or insurance or whatever else you want to brand it) by saying it "isn't free" and phrase it like someone else is paying for others.  What you don't understand is that's how ANY insurance works.  Insurance isn't covering the amount you put in, necessarily.  The reason it works is because not everyone is going to need it.  So actually it IS better if everyone conformed to it, because insurance is about managing risk.  The more people who participate, the cheaper it will be per person.  Having insurance doesn't increase the number of people who NEED medical attention.  It may increase the number of people who go, which can in turn mean more people coming up with less medical issues in the future.

So the last sentence you put there doesn't apply in this case.



Zappykins said:
Aeolus451 said:

There no such thing as "free" healthcare. Somebody is paying for it. There's pros and cons to both kinds of healthcare. It's actually better for the world if not everyone is conforming to same thing.

True, but the USA pays more than 7 times what say Mexico pays for only slightly better health care.  Think about it 7 times more, for an only marginally better system.  Imagine if one console was 7 more than the other – would you recommend the significantly more expensive one?

The problem with the USA's health care is that much of the dollars go to line other people profit pockets.  Much of the money is funneled into wealthy shareholders - who did nothing to earn it other than buy some stock.  This is waste that could actually go to help people.

 

Anyway, back to Trump.  His supports should remember 'Freedom of Expression.'  But that is assuming they read the US Constitution.

 You may hate what they say, but they have a right to say it.

 

 

Would you seriously want to go a mexican hosipital for a serious injury or medical problem (not immediately life threatening)? Mexico is a really bad example to compare the US to. Alot of mexicans are braving whatever dangers to illegally cross the southern border into the US to live there. I'm sure that's for a lot of reasons to run from mexico but mexico's healthcare apparantly not an incentive to stay.

Profit fuels the drive to rapidly research and develope new medicines medical technology, surgerial procedures/techniques. Universal healthcare doesn't. Besides universial healthcare is a kind of socialism or communism and that doesn't really mix well in the US.



MDMAlliance said:
Aeolus451 said:

There no such thing as "free" healthcare. Somebody is paying for it. There's pros and cons to both kinds of healthcare. It's actually better for the world if not everyone is conforming to same thing.

I feel like you don't really understand it.  People like arguing against universal health care (or insurance or whatever else you want to brand it) by saying it "isn't free" and phrase it like someone else is paying for others.  What you don't understand is that's how ANY insurance works.  Insurance isn't covering the amount you put in, necessarily.  The reason it works is because not everyone is going to need it.  So actually it IS better if everyone conformed to it, because insurance is about managing risk.  The more people who participate, the cheaper it will be per person.  Having insurance doesn't increase the number of people who NEED medical attention.  It may increase the number of people who go, which can in turn mean more people coming up with less medical issues in the future.

So the last sentence you put there doesn't apply in this case.

Oh yes it does. I was talking about countries. If someone has a rare illness or an illness that's expensive to treat, you're put on a waiting list aka thrown under the bus because the needs of the many outweigh the few. In the US, you can pay to get treated. In other places, you're on a waiting list. If someone wants to get treatment, they can fly to somewhere like the US for it. That's why its better if some countries don't use universal healthcare. Just keep the US out of that.