If only we had another ps2 gen. Within its first year, we had gran turismo 3, mgs2, devil may cry, onimusha, silent hill 2, gta3, zone of the Enders, final fantasy 10, klonoa 2 and more.

Even last gen was better than this with motor storm, virtua fighter 5, heavenly sword, sega rally revo, mgs4, uncharted and more.

This gen? Tons of remasters, way too many pointless open world games, square taking forever with kh3 and ff15, konami fucking up.
Yes a few good games have come out but nothing like the prior two gens before this one.

And I ask you: what do people have against these indie games? The time dedicated to playing a certain game makes it garbage, now mix in that sales, review scores and you get the formula. On mobile - people buy most of the games as extended demos, then they forget about them and leave them to rot on the device's storage (still as long as the price doesn't hurt they are somehow succesful). This model I find morally wrong.(There are exceptions, of course) Do we try to replicate this? (No offence to indie developers, but it is what it is)

Bioshock is revolutionary? Gears is too?

Logically you are not wrong since a single good game would prove your statement. On the other hand if we go with the "majority is garbage"... hmmm... 

The problem to develop revolutionary new games is that many things that could be new and exciting have already been thought of.In previous gens, there were always something new because the leap from one generation to another was huge, and either the new hardware power or the new gimmick permitted that developers created new ideas or concepts.See the jump from 2D to 3D, the power jump from the 3 gen to 4 gen, or even from the 5 gen to 6 gen.All those jumps or hardware innovations were huge and permitted new things or new genres, like first person shooters or simulators games with depth to be made.The "problem" with this generation is that there is no new gimmick(Nintendo being the exception, but even then it didnt use the gamepad to the fullest, with few games as an exception), and the power jump was modest.So there were few, if any, new "doors" opened to people think of interely new concepts.It obviously dosent mean that masterpieces cant be created, it just mean that it is harder and they come in fewer numbers.

But if you ask me, I think that always wanting the next generation to be better everytime is unrealistic and bound to be dissapointed.Everything, every type of media will have its down moments, and gaming is no exception.Actually i personally think thats good to happen, because when something truly good comes, we will know to apreciate it better.

And I mean, its not like the future is dark.VR is comming, to PCs and consoles, and a new Nintendo console is also on the way, and they always bring something new to the table, be it bad or good.Try to enjoy things more at your pace, and if you dont like the games that released this month or the games that will release on the next, you always have more than 50 years worth of games to play through

You don't say, they're indie garbage and that's WHY I don't like them, most don't for the same reason.

User was Banned for this post. ~ LipeJJ

What about Gears of War 4, Uncharted 4 and Tekken 7?

This doesn't bother me too much. I'm all for refinement, and I do not think that every single game needs to be groundbreaking. However, I have found most of the big, popular games to be absolutely terrible (Witcher, Watch Dogs, all Assassin's Creeds, Battlefront, etc.)

My interests have largely shifted toward indies, which I am cool with, since some of them are absolutely wonderful, but man are most of the big budget games so damn bland and boring, IMO. I miss the middle-men making AA games. It's as if every game now is either big budget AAA, indie, or the Nintendo category (very varied, it seems). The handhelds are my last bastion of hope for AA/smaller-budget non-indies.

It's most people's view that's why the PS Plus announcements get such overwhelming hate because nobody likes indie garbage.

What makes them garbage? Them being indie games. 

"that cancels itself out" that is only your opinion / conclusion + who is this WE? 

Why was that guy banned? Indie game racism?