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BraLoD said:
So you want to make a point on something that never actually happened? Because that doesn't make sense. 

I'm a PlayStation fan, which doesn't change anything, the fact you are making points on things that only come from wishing and not reality, you are making points over things you "think" would happen with no real reasoning behind it or that just didn't happened (with the bolded now), it's not because I'm a PS fan that I can't come to you and say that doesn't make sense, because it doesn't, there are no reason behind such claims, me or anyone else poiting it would be the exact same thing.

We may not agree, but I'm asking for reasons behind what you are claiming, don't label me as something and think I'm trying to push anything here because of that, that's not ok, you are basically calling me a fanboy here because we don't agree as I see no reason based on reality of what you are claiming (which you still didn't provide me, you are just comparing two complete different models based on market positions to claim things that aren't really based on that) that's really not ok.
If that's where it's heading to, then yeah, you better let it be in that case.

I guess ill try to better explain what he means although part of me thinks you are fully aware but just dont want to accept or believe it. Im sure you have heard before that without 3rd party support Sony wouldnt sell as much as they would. Thats what he means by "what Ninty faces every day". Sony hasnt produced a single platform without tons of 3rd party support besides Vita and well...Sony wasnt able to save it. Japan also lends some credibility to this by simply showing Sony taking a beating in Japan to Nintendo due to Nintendo gaining majority of the biggest 3rd party games. Sony did nothing while PS3 failed to match PS2. They tried to combat it with PSP which worked then and has now failed with Vita due to lost of 3rd party support. The point is where ever Sony loses 3rd party support, they lose big time. Their first party support has never risen to the occasion, so you truly have nothing backing up Sony could survive on the back of their own ip. Ninty on the other hand has proven in both markets (although home console market no as much) that atleast in theory they could survive on their own. They are pretty much preparing for this next gen lol, they would be because of WiiUs failure no doubt. You pointed out yourself that with each gen Ninty lost support they lost sales, that was until Wii and DS ofcourse which is the proof he has. You also have to rememeber that Ninty puts their effort behind their handheld side of things not home console, so always pointing to WiiU as proof Ninty cant survive comes off as more comical than anything. Ninty could pull the plug on home consoles and still be fine lol. Things look bad for Ninty(sales) this gen, just like things looked bad for Sony(financially) last gen. Doesnt mean the future cant look brighter.



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Nintyfan90 said:
Intrinsic said:

You, like Nintendo, seem to have no idea how much shit Nintendo is in. But you will see. 

I hope for Nintendo's sake they aren't thinking like you and actually make a proper console this time around and do all they can do to secure 3rd party support. I hope. Cause get this, nintendo will NOT survive another failure. They no longer have a handheld market to fall back on. And the long since lost their footing in the console space since after the SNES. if you are a half way decent follower of Nintendo and have at least one eye open on global trends then you would know what I mean. 

Sounds like shit I heard from GBA and GC days all over again lol. Might I also add why you are ignoring Ninty with their worst selling hardware of all time is still making as much money as Sony with their fastest selling? Ill rather Ninty not follow a completely unprofitable business plan. If Sony wasnt selling so much they would be right back to losing alot, see PS3. What makes you think the market could sustain two plats selling like PS4? If the market could sustain it, then Xbox would be doing just that. Since Xb1 isnt pulling those numbers, its probably better Ninty makes their money somewhere else then try to share such little profits PS4 makes. Dont you think thats better for Sony as well? You really think Ninty and Sony want to kill each other yet they are both Japanese companies and probably realize that wouldnt be good for the country? Honestly dude they would rather merge than kill each other. So I think Ninty is purposely staying out of Sonys way, it only leads to their own extinction.

 oh sorry I forgot. 

 

Sony only makes PlayStation. 



Intrinsic said:
Nintyfan90 said:

Sounds like shit I heard from GBA and GC days all over again lol. Might I also add why you are ignoring Ninty with their worst selling hardware of all time is still making as much money as Sony with their fastest selling? Ill rather Ninty not follow a completely unprofitable business plan. If Sony wasnt selling so much they would be right back to losing alot, see PS3. What makes you think the market could sustain two plats selling like PS4? If the market could sustain it, then Xbox would be doing just that. Since Xb1 isnt pulling those numbers, its probably better Ninty makes their money somewhere else then try to share such little profits PS4 makes. Dont you think thats better for Sony as well? You really think Ninty and Sony want to kill each other yet they are both Japanese companies and probably realize that wouldnt be good for the country? Honestly dude they would rather merge than kill each other. So I think Ninty is purposely staying out of Sonys way, it only leads to their own extinction.

 oh sorry I forgot. 

 

Sony only makes PlayStation. 

Related to gaming? Yeah. I wonder do say such things when you see people post about Ninty and only mention WiiU? For some reason, I doubt you say the same and probably contribute to the WiiU singling.



Lawlight said:
AlfredoTurkey said:

Not from the info they released. We are talking "profits" right? Nintendo made 336 to Sony's 333M from what I understand.

You're wrong. Check your data again.

I did. When Sonys last report was issued, I had this very disscussion on these forums and we were all talking about how Nintendo edged them in profits. You seem pretty surly about it. I don't know what the big deal is.



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To put an end to the debate:

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/library/fr/15q3_sony.pdf

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2016/160202_2e.pdf

Sony made more money than Nintendo last quarter.



AlfredoTurkey said:
Lawlight said:

You're wrong. Check your data again.

I did. When Sonys last report was issued, I had this very disscussion on these forums and we were all talking about how Nintendo edged them in profits. You seem pretty surly about it. I don't know what the big deal is.

I don't know who you were talking to but you were reading the data incorrectly.



Nintyfan90 said:

Related to gaming? Yeah. I wonder do say such things when you see people post about Ninty and only mention WiiU? For some reason, I doubt you say the same and probably contribute to the WiiU singling.

I can only speak for myself. Having said that, if you look at the very post you initially replied to, I wasn't just talking about wiiU. I referenced their handhelds and even went as far back as the SNES. 

But hey, let's attack eachother and our supposed motives as opposed to having a meaningful discussion. Hell, let's attack those not even in the discussion while we are at it. Very productive if you ask me. 



Lawlight said:
To put an end to the debate:

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/library/fr/15q3_sony.pdf

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2016/160202_2e.pdf

Sony made more money than Nintendo last quarter.

Two things. From what I see, Sony's game division had an operating income of 40.2 in billions of yen where as Nintendo had 42.4. Secondly, that Sony income? It also includes music and video services.



AlfredoTurkey said:
Lawlight said:
To put an end to the debate:

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/library/fr/15q3_sony.pdf

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2016/160202_2e.pdf

Sony made more money than Nintendo last quarter.

Two things. From what I see, Sony's game division had an operating income of 40.2 in billions of yen where as Nintendo had 42.4. Secondly, that Sony income? It also includes music and video services.

No, you're comparing Apr-Dec 2015 from Nintendo to Oct-Dec 2015 from Sony's gaming division. Scroll further down:

For Q3 2015:

Nintendo: 33.508B JPY

Sony's gaming division: 40.2B JPY

This is income from games and whatever content PSN sells.