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There's a good quote from C.S. Lewis about this which may be useful:

“God created things which had free will. That means creatures which can go wrong or right. Some people think they can imagine a creature which was free but had no possibility of going wrong, but I can't. If a thing is free to be good it's also free to be bad. And free will is what has made evil possible. Why, then, did God give them free will? Because free will, though it makes evil possible, is also the only thing that makes possible any love or goodness or joy worth having. A world of automata -of creatures that worked like machines- would hardly be worth creating. The happiness which God designs for His higher creatures is the happiness of being freely, voluntarily united to Him and to each other in an ecstasy of love and delight compared with which the most rapturous love between a man and a woman on this earth is mere milk and water. And for that they've got to be free.
Of course God knew what would happen if they used their freedom the wrong way: apparently, He thought it worth the risk. (...) If God thinks this state of war in the universe a price worth paying for free will -that is, for making a real world in which creatures can do real good or harm and something of real importance can happen, instead of a toy world which only moves when He pulls the strings- then we may take it it is worth paying.”

Sorry for the length.



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VisionarySine said:
There's a good quote from C.S. Lewis about this which may be useful:

“God created things which had free will. That means creatures which can go wrong or right. Some people think they can imagine a creature which was free but had no possibility of going wrong, but I can't. If a thing is free to be good it's also free to be bad. And free will is what has made evil possible. Why, then, did God give them free will? Because free will, though it makes evil possible, is also the only thing that makes possible any love or goodness or joy worth having. A world of automata -of creatures that worked like machines- would hardly be worth creating. The happiness which God designs for His higher creatures is the happiness of being freely, voluntarily united to Him and to each other in an ecstasy of love and delight compared with which the most rapturous love between a man and a woman on this earth is mere milk and water. And for that they've got to be free.
Of course God knew what would happen if they used their freedom the wrong way: apparently, He thought it worth the risk. (...) If God thinks this state of war in the universe a price worth paying for free will -that is, for making a real world in which creatures can do real good or harm and something of real importance can happen, instead of a toy world which only moves when He pulls the strings- then we may take it it is worth paying.”

Sorry for the length.

I'd still trade in my free will for all the ills of the world to just go away.



Bryank75 said:
If you are discussing God and religion, you will need a brush up on logic and how to use it;

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pQjqxayxwt4

Cum Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc has haunted humanity for pretty much out entire existance and has led to enourmous problems throughout our history.

Another huge logical issue, that ties very closely with religion is confimation bias. It's the reason why so many people still don't believe in evolution, or somehow think that the universe is 6,000 years old. Which is especially amazing since as we speak, radio telescopes all around the world are trained on the center of our galaxy, gathering 25,000 year old light.



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Normchacho said:
I'd actually like to take a moment to talk about Pascal's Wager for a moment.

In case anyone doesn't know, Pascal's Wager is the idea that the punishment for not believing in god and being wrong, outweighs any benefit from not believing in god and being right. Which just means that you might as well believe in god, because what's the harm in it, especially since you're dammed forever if you don't and end up being wrong.

I have some serious issues with this.

First, there are so many different religions (roughly 20 major ones currently) and they have so many different rules that how are you supposed to know which ones to follow? And that's assuming that one of the current, major religions is right and it's not some other thing that nobody has thought of, or that the Mayans were right or something.

Secondly, I've never been religious, but I never thought that believing in god was something you could really...choose. Don't you just, believe or not? I can't make myself believe in bigfoot, because I don't think he exists. Why would god be any different?

I'd like to add to that: Pascal's Wager seems to also assume a higher omniscient power would not be able to see through false pretenses.

The way I've heard it described is actually weirder than that. It's not that god can't tell that you're being faithful for selfish reasons, it's that god doesn't care. Which I find really odd.



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God is only testing in this world. At least that's what every religion tell us. If this world had no problems then what would be the point of a heaven? Also when bad times come people remember God and in good times they forget. So everyone goes through there phases si God can test their loyalty in good and bad and thick and thin. Sometimes good people face bad things in life so that they are tested and sometimes so that they are punished only in this world and do not have to go through hell to pay for their sins
Yes some people will go to hell before eventually going to heaven. So testing is a problem if there is nothing to test. No devil to whisper into your ear and no evils. Also all these problems are a consequence of humans running rampant with free will. All man made problems. The world did not start this way



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Normchacho said:
Bryank75 said:
If you are discussing God and religion, you will need a brush up on logic and how to use it;

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pQjqxayxwt4

Cum Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc has haunted humanity for pretty much out entire existance and has led to enourmous problems throughout our history.

Another huge logical issue, that ties very closely with religion is confimation bias. It's the reason why so many people still don't believe in evolution, or somehow think that the universe is 6,000 years old. Which is especially amazing since as we speak, radio telescopes all around the world are trained on the center of our galaxy, gathering 25,000 year old light.

Watch the video.... ;)



https://www.reddit.com/comments/mpcme/ama_as_reqested_i_went_to_mexico_and_took/



It's like talking about Lord of the rings like its real.

Next we are gonna ask why Sauron wants to kill everyone.

Its fantasy. There is no reason. Its just a plot device.

thatguymarco said:
If there is a God, I'd like to think that he'd trust his creations enough to do what they want in life. "destiny" is such an horryfying concept to me, to think that everything really is written in stone and free will is just an illusion, it's freaking terryfying. Somebody make that into a videogame, wait, no, I'll make that into a game, maybe. Original Idea Do Not Steal Plz.

Legacy of Kain series.



Fear_Me_All said:
tag. Let me take out my bag of popcorn!!



                                                                                     

Because there is no God.



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