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The Fury said:
d21lewis said:
Oh, that Wizard list is pretty much an opinion like anything else. It was written before the internet was huge. I always respected them as the final authority on all things comic related but that doesn't mean they were infallible. They always backed up their claims with actual feats, though.

It's also usually swayed by popularity too. Sure Doom is the greatest villain created at Marvel but would/could Doom stop a Jaspers? Or any reality changing being? (I mean really, I'm not including the recent mess). I mean Sabretooth? Nowadays he wouldn't feature in top 50 let alone 10.

Also, Apocalypse is dangerous but not as much as people think. He's not out for global extinction or anything like that, he wants humanity to take it's next step to perfect and evolution, even if that means forcing it, next step being mutants. 

I agree with you about Apocalypse but.... Did I miss something? I don't think anybody mentioned him!



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d21lewis said:

I agree with you about Apocalypse but.... Did I miss something? I don't think anybody mentioned him!

axumblade said:

Perhaps Apocalypse, Galactus, or Thanos are the missing ones. Seems around their teirs to be honest. 

But like you mentioned, Galactus wouldn't be on such a list if they ignore 'cosmic gods' anyway. It's a decent list, even now, even if one or 2 are outdated. EDIT: Posted before I saw the list. :)



Hmm, pie.

I see it this way Joker get's more publicity but Carnage is the baddest and meanest villian ever. I mean c'mon half alien half serial killer thats crazy!!!
Carnage is my all time favorite super hero/ villain. I wanted to cry when spiderman 4 never came out in 2010 it would have been the best super hero movie of all time, givin they did it right. (Sorry batman)
They then went on to destroy spiderman with these new "Amazing Spiderman" movies with a completely different storyline :(
Please bring Carnage back Marvel!!!!!



d21lewis said:

That's the one! I still believe it, though. Read their comments and tell me if you disagree!

(Oh, mentioned it was old a couple posts ago)

 

*edit* it's only the list and not the article. I'll try to find the article but they backed up ever claim.

I think green goblin/Norman Osborn deserves a spot.. Killing the main lover of your enemy must count for some points...

Is Sabretooth even a villian anymore? back in 1998 he was but nowadays?



 

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NiKKoM said:

Is Sabretooth even a villian anymore? back in 1998 he was but nowadays?

Bad retcons are bad. Generally considered Exiles/AoA Sabretooth was a good guy and 616 was a murdering bastard. 616 is still a murdering bastard no matter what bad plot device Remender wrote.

 

I don't sound bitter at all do I? I miss when X-men/Marvel was good. :(



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The Fury said:
NiKKoM said:

Is Sabretooth even a villian anymore? back in 1998 he was but nowadays?

Bad retcons are bad. Generally considered Exiles/AoA Sabretooth was a good guy and 616 was a murdering bastard. 616 is still a murdering bastard no matter what bad plot device Remender wrote.

 

I don't sound bitter at all do I? I miss when X-men/Marvel was good. :(

I enjoyed a lot of Remenders earlier works.  Recently though he has just been playing with bad devices and throwing in trope after trope.  With Marvel's constant relaunches I guess it is to be expected, but I have noticed it hitting his creator owned stuff too.



d21lewis said:
axumblade said:

Perhaps Apocalypse, Galactus, or Thanos are the missing ones. Seems around their teirs to be honest. 

I think they specifically said they avoided world destroying "cosmic" characters. I'll Google it later on today.

I was comparing Joker to Carnage because I couldn't think of any Marvel villains who were similar enough to Joker (the latter actually inspired Carnage's overall character). It doesn't help that no villains have come close to Joker's level of nightmarish evil (Batman: Death of The Family anyone?).



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