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Kobe or Lebron?

Kobe 118 67.05%
 
Lebron 58 32.95%
 
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TheBlackNaruto said:
Robert_Downey_Jr. said:

pretty much

Also 5 rings vs. 2 and Kobe didn't need Ray Allen to bail his ass out

You're right...he had Fisher and Horry...you know it is amazing how people seem to forget about them when hating on LBJ. And I really get annoyed by the ring argument.....how many people do you ever hear say Robert Horry is better than Kobe and Jordan(you know with his 7 rings and all)? Don't get me wrong rings and that ship that's the end goal. But they don't determine the greatness of a player.

While I again say I have more FUN watching LBJ if we were talking about who to take when it comes to trying to get a ring I would take Kobe. If it came down to someone that would make his TEAM better all around I would take LBJ.

I agree it's not the only factor (trust me I tell that to the Brady lovers all the time and he cheated for his lol) but watching both of them play Kobe is way more impressive and Lebron's teammates never get credit for carrying him on some of his off days.  Ray Allen really saved his mediocre butt in that game 6.  Also Lebron was never the floor general Kobe was as when the chips got down he would just become the black hole



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Robert_Downey_Jr. said:
TheBlackNaruto said:

You're right...he had Fisher and Horry...you know it is amazing how people seem to forget about them when hating on LBJ. And I really get annoyed by the ring argument.....how many people do you ever hear say Robert Horry is better than Kobe and Jordan(you know with his 7 rings and all)? Don't get me wrong rings and that ship that's the end goal. But they don't determine the greatness of a player.

While I again say I have more FUN watching LBJ if we were talking about who to take when it comes to trying to get a ring I would take Kobe. If it came down to someone that would make his TEAM better all around I would take LBJ.

I agree it's not the only factor (trust me I tell that to the Brady lovers all the time and he cheated for his lol) but watching both of them play Kobe is way more impressive and Lebron's teammates never get credit for carrying him on some of his off days.  Ray Allen really saved his mediocre butt in that game 6.  Also Lebron was never the floor general Kobe was as when the chips got down he would just become the black hole

I agree Kobe is indeed more impressive. No argument there lol. And also are we talking about the same person?  Because  LBJ teammates  always get credit for their help. Ray Allen shot wouldn't  have even mattered  if LBJ hadn't  got them  back close enough  for it to matter. That counts but  we over look it. Kobe and LBJ are two different greats.  Kobe is more like Jordan while LBJ is more like M. Johnson.  



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TheBlackNaruto said:
Robert_Downey_Jr. said:

I agree it's not the only factor (trust me I tell that to the Brady lovers all the time and he cheated for his lol) but watching both of them play Kobe is way more impressive and Lebron's teammates never get credit for carrying him on some of his off days.  Ray Allen really saved his mediocre butt in that game 6.  Also Lebron was never the floor general Kobe was as when the chips got down he would just become the black hole

I agree Kobe is indeed more impressive. No argument there lol. And also are we talking about the same person?  Because  LBJ teammates  always get credit for their help. Ray Allen shot wouldn't  have even mattered  if LBJ hadn't  got them  back close enough  for it to matter. That counts but  we over look it. Kobe and LBJ are two different greats.  Kobe is more like Jordan while LBJ is more like M. Johnson.  

I remember Lebron missing a lot of big shots at the end of that game and the Heat getting offensive rebounds which ended up letting them tie it



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Kobe and LeBron both had Mike Brown as a head coach at one point and LeBron got further in the playoffs with Mike Brown (2007 Finals) despite having a lot less talented roster then the 2011-12 Lakers.



Chris Hu said:
Kobe and LeBron both had Mike Brown as a head coach at one point and LeBron got further in the playoffs with Mike Brown (2007 Finals) despite having a lot less talented roster then the 2011-12 Lakers.

In the Eastern Conference and they overachieved as most everyone says.



PotentHerbs said:
PAOerfulone said:

You neglect to mention how LeBron has spent his entire career in an absolutely pathetic Eastern Conference while having his team stacked and absolutely zero contenders outside of whatever team LeBron plays for as opposed to how Kobe had to scratch, claw, and fight his way through a jam-packed Western Conference throughout his 20 year career which included, the Spurs, the Mavericks, the Kings, the Trailblazers, the Suns, the Thunder, why do you think Kobe is 5-2 in the Finals and LeBron is 2-4. Because by the time they both got to the Finals, Kobe was already battle tested, experienced, won the toughets fights, and took down the toughest opponents he was going to face, whereas LeBron had it so easy up until the Finals where he goes up against a REAL contender out West, and his team either doesn't stack up (Warriors and Spurs), or are just mentally unprepared and unready (Mavericks).
Or how about how from 11-14 he had his team stacked with a Prime Wade, Prime Bosh, and the 2nd greatest shooter of all-time, Ray Allen, whereas Kobe from was all by himself in from 2006 to 2008 until he got Pau Gasol and they won back to back titles from there. 
You wanna know how LeBron scores?
Put his head down, drive to the rim, muscle his way to a lay-up and an And-One. And it's pretty damn easy for him to do that when he's surrounding by deadly and lethal shooters who can knock down open jumpers in their sleep. The situation LeBron was in while at Miami was perfect for him, that's why he was able to do what he did, but now look at him. He has no jumpshot beyond 15 feet, and his declining athletism is going to show just how one-dimensional he is as a scorer. Kobe can drive, post up, spot up, catch & shoot, shoot off the dribble, he was arguably just as versatile of a scorer as Curry is right now. 
Let's put it like this:
A broken down, plagued by injuries, 37 year old, about to retire Kobe Bryant is shooting a higher percentage from 3 Point Range this season, than a 31 year old, still in his prime, still in top shape LeBron James.

Did you watch LeBron's first 7 years? He played with scrubs his first go around with Cleveland. The lack of parity in the Eastern Conference was balanced with LeBron's lack of help at least in his first 7 years. Not to mention the Eastern Conference wields the best defenses, Kobe will throw up bricks against the Pistons/ Celtics defense as shown by history. Put prime Kobe on the Cavaliers from 03' - 10' & he doesn't get to the Finals once. Kobe always had the superior supporting casts compared to LeBron, ring counting doesn't take that into account. 

05' - 10' Lamar Odom >> anyone from the 03' - 10' Cavaliers excluding LeBron. 

LeBron played one year with 'prime' Wade in 2011. But.. 

00' - 04' Shaq >>> 11- 14' Wade + Bosh. 

I can show you the numbers if you like. 

Dwight, Nash, Payton, Artest/ World Peace, Malone, Jones, Bynum > Irving, Allen and Love. Kobe can't even mesh his play style with Steve Nash lol, LeBron adjusted to both Irving and Wade.

You don't think the triangle offense benefited Kobe? 

Phil >> Blatt, Brown, Spo, Lue. 

You don't think post players cater to Kobe's skill set? 

I'd take a LeBron layup over a Kobe jumpshot, skill has no part in the equation if the former is more effective regardless. Besides I think LeBron ends up having a better post game as he ages. 

Can't take physicality out of the equation when determining who is the better player. 

Concerning east VS Western conferences, that argument won't work soon. The east has gotten DRAMATICALLY better. Many teams are now uprising.

 

In my opinion, I enjoyed both kobe and Lebron. They have their down sides, but they are still great players. I'll disagree on your comment about Wade. He was an amazing teammate. Wade and Shaq also produced a ring. 



 

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TheGoldenBoy said:
Chris Hu said:
Kobe and LeBron both had Mike Brown as a head coach at one point and LeBron got further in the playoffs with Mike Brown (2007 Finals) despite having a lot less talented roster then the 2011-12 Lakers.

In the Eastern Conference and they overachieved as most everyone says.

So I'm guessing your excuse is that the 2011-12 Lakers underachieved then.



Chris Hu said:
TheGoldenBoy said:

In the Eastern Conference and they overachieved as most everyone says.

So I'm guessing your excuse is that the 2011-12 Lakers underachieved then.

It's pretty obvious what happened to the Lakers. They played a better Oklahoma City Thunder team and got destroyed by them and if I remember correctly that Thunder team also beat San Antonio the next round and went to the NBA Finals.

Everyone knows the '07 Cleveland team overachieved when they went to the Finals. It's why that Finals isn't really held negatively against Lebron.