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Kobe or Lebron?

Kobe 118 67.05%
 
Lebron 58 32.95%
 
Total:176

And?
What did Samaki Walker do without Kobe?
Exactly.
Kobe doesn't give a flying fuck what you, me, or anybody else thinks of him as a teammate, whether it be good or bad. Why? He's got 5 reasons on each of his fingers on one hand. And if it came hell or high water, he was going to find a way and do whatever he had to do to win. THAT'S what I'm referring too, THAT'S what SHAQ and all those legends were referring to as to why they'd take him over LeBron.
If I want a guy who's going to make me feel good, feel involved, and be a friend, sure I'd go with LeBron.
If I want a guy who's going to push my buttons, test me, light a fire under my ass, and do whatever it takes to win, I'm taking Kobe no questions asked.
No that can't be "written off". Shaq was dead serious when he said that!
You're really going to ask me if I'll take the word of some forgettable name who came off the bench most of his career over the word of one of the top 5 greatest centers and top 10 greatest players of all-time, who played with BOTH OF THEM? Give me a break! What does Shaq have to be bitter about? 4 rings and not winning a 5th? Ridiculous. If anything, that would just further my earlier point that Shaq needed Kobe more than Kobe needed Shaq.
So what if Kobe was "selfish" or "a lousy teammate", if being a lousy teammate gets you 5 championships, and an actual winning record in the Finals (5-2), than maybe LeBron (2-4) should try being a lousy teammate as well.



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PAOerfulone said:

And?
What did Samaki Walker do without Kobe?
Exactly.
Kobe doesn't give a flying fuck what you, me, or anybody else thinks of him as a teammate, whether it be good or bad. Why? He's got 5 reasons on each of his fingers on one hand. And if it came hell or high water, he was going to find a way and do whatever he had to do to win. THAT'S what I'm referring too, THAT'S what SHAQ and all those legends were referring to as to why they'd take him over LeBron.
If I want a guy who's going to make me feel good, feel involved, and be a friend, sure I'd go with LeBron.
If I want a guy who's going to push my buttons, test me, light a fire under my ass, and do whatever it takes to win, I'm taking Kobe no questions asked.
No that can't be "written off". Shaq was dead serious when he said that!
You're really going to ask me if I'll take the word of some forgettable name who came off the bench most of his career over the word of one of the top 5 greatest centers and top 10 greatest players of all-time, who played with BOTH OF THEM? Give me a break! What does Shaq have to be bitter about? 4 rings and not winning a 5th? Ridiculous. If anything, that would just further my earlier point that Shaq needed Kobe more than Kobe needed Shaq.
So what if Kobe was "selfish" or "a lousy teammate", if being a lousy teammate gets you 5 championships, and an actual winning record in the Finals (5-2), than maybe LeBron (2-4) should try being a lousy teammate as well.

He lost to a vastly inferior Pistons team in 2004 and barely won against the Celtic in 2010.  All the teams LeBron lost too where vastly superior.  I just feel bad for Karl Malone he picked the wrong team he should have went with the Spurs with him on the team they would have easily won one or two more games in the 2003-04 season and the would have gotten home court advantage and win it all and Malone would have came back the next year and went out as a two time champion instead of having zero rings.



Chris Hu said:
PAOerfulone said:

And?
What did Samaki Walker do without Kobe?
Exactly.
Kobe doesn't give a flying fuck what you, me, or anybody else thinks of him as a teammate, whether it be good or bad. Why? He's got 5 reasons on each of his fingers on one hand. And if it came hell or high water, he was going to find a way and do whatever he had to do to win. THAT'S what I'm referring too, THAT'S what SHAQ and all those legends were referring to as to why they'd take him over LeBron.
If I want a guy who's going to make me feel good, feel involved, and be a friend, sure I'd go with LeBron.
If I want a guy who's going to push my buttons, test me, light a fire under my ass, and do whatever it takes to win, I'm taking Kobe no questions asked.
No that can't be "written off". Shaq was dead serious when he said that!
You're really going to ask me if I'll take the word of some forgettable name who came off the bench most of his career over the word of one of the top 5 greatest centers and top 10 greatest players of all-time, who played with BOTH OF THEM? Give me a break! What does Shaq have to be bitter about? 4 rings and not winning a 5th? Ridiculous. If anything, that would just further my earlier point that Shaq needed Kobe more than Kobe needed Shaq.
So what if Kobe was "selfish" or "a lousy teammate", if being a lousy teammate gets you 5 championships, and an actual winning record in the Finals (5-2), than maybe LeBron (2-4) should try being a lousy teammate as well.

He lost to a vastly inferior Pistons team in 2004 and barely won against the Celtic in 2010.  All the teams LeBron lost too where vastly superior.  I just feel bad for Karl Malone he picked the wrong team he should have went with the Spurs with him on the team they would have easily won one or two more games in the 2003-04 season and the would have gotten home court advantage and win it all and Malone would have came back the next year and went out as a two time champion instead of having zero rings.

Do you ever actually think about what you type or does bullshit come naturally to you?

Firstly, that "vastly inferior" Pistons team you're talking about came Top 2 in the regular season of the Eastern Conference in 6 out of 7 seasons. They only year they didn't, they came in third. They made it to six consecutive Eastern Conference finals from 2003-2008. And secondly, I'm sure it's the Lakers fault that Karl Malone had injury problems in his final season and that he was the sole reason the Lakers knocked out the Spurs in the Western Conference semifinals. As if him being on the Spurs would have stopped Kobe from averaging 26-6-6 and Shaq 23-15-2 in that series.



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Lmao, player statements? Shaq said DWade was the greatest teammate he ever played with after the 2006 Finals. Jordan once said Kobe is a 'top 5 guard' of All - Time. Recently Doc, Kidd & Bosh all said LeBron is top 5, no mention of Kobe. Hell even Oscar said LeBron is the greatest ever.

LeBron lead a team that was dead last in rebounding to a repeat. He lead that same team to winning 27 games in a row. Back to back MVP & FMVP's. Strong case for DPoY in 2013. Averaged 25+ PPG on 56%+ as a perimeter player!!

LeBron 11 - 14' >> Kobe 06 - 10'.



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I guess you never heard of home court advatage which would have helped the Spurs a lot in  the 2004 post season.  Also if that Pistons team is so great why did it only win one title they lost to the Spurs the following year and would have easily lost to the Suns also if they would have made it to the finals instead.



Well that ~10 game run from Kobe where he was scoring north of 40 nightly and hit 81 can't quite be matched.

As for who was the better all around player, though, LeBron definitely wins that one.



m0ney said:
Cirio said:

All this "Kobe is a ball hog" nonense is a load of crap backed by bandwagon hate about Kobe's game. Kobe has ALWAYS been a good all around player and is comparable to Jordan in every category minus total points per game. All the people who say Kobe was a ball hog either never watched him play or blindly follow the bandwagon hate of his playstyle. 

Someone has not seen Lakers games in last 3 years. I wish I had videoed a game I tried to watch this season. After the start wistle he was literally playing alone on offense and shooting contested 3s, scoring 1 of 5, while his teammates were standing still on the court and watching. I could not bear it and changed the channel.

Oh right, I forgot how Kobe had anyone legit on his team to pass the ball to other than Gasol (who was playing terrible) for the past 3 years. And I find it cute that you chose to omit the average assists per game I posted about Kobe over his past 5 years. You showed an anecdotal evidence from one game while I posted his season stats that show he averaged more than 5 assists per game, which is higher than Jordan's was at the same time frame WHILE Kobe had a terrible team and Jordan had a stacked one. Once again, blind bandwagon hate is all I see cited about Kobe's game.



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Soundwave said:

 

Cirio said:

Kobe's average assists per game over his last 5 years (not including this year since it's still in progress): 5.44 assists per game

Jordan's average assists per game over his last 5 years as a Chicago Bull: 4.58 assists per game 

Jordan's average assists per game over his last 5 years (incl. Washington): 4.22 assists per game

All this "Kobe is a ball hog" nonense is a load of crap backed by bandwagon hate about Kobe's game. Kobe has ALWAYS been a good all around player and is comparable to Jordan in every category minus total points per game. All the people who say Kobe was a ball hog either never watched him play or blindly follow the bandwagon hate of his playstyle. 

lol, I've watched Kobe from his *rookie* season (that's right way back in the 96-97 season). 

He's a terrific player, but he definitely could lose focus of the game and get fixated on taking bad shots even towards the end of his career. He and Phil Jackson continually butted heads about that. 

He's a good player, I would say LeBron is a bit better, he doesn't have the same competetive fire and can be a bit of a wuss at times, but he does have good efficiency:

Then you fit into the category of "blindly follow the bandwagon hate of his playstyle". Once again, you're providing no evidence other than "I saw him take bad shots!" Despite your claims, Kobe averaged 1 more assist per game than Jordan during the end of their careers. Your claim that "Kobe was not as smart of a player" is dumb and backed by no evidence. In fact, the stats show the exact opposite of your claims; that Kobe actually became MORE of a team player later in his career than earlier. Your "opinions" can't refute the facts.

Also, did you ever consider who Kobe's teammates were for most of the past 5 years?