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homer said:
Doubt it. What is so hard to believe about evolution? If you just look at other species, you can literally track where we converged. Look at homologous structures, fossil records, and DN fucking A. I don't even understand why anyone would deny it for religious purposes either. Of course God, an omnipotent being, would have a good understanding of climate change and would create beings capable of adapting to it.

the fossil records are insanley patchy to say the least. and carbon dating is speculative, its not really full proof at this point. There is a reason that a lot of specialists and scientists in the field are not entirely sure themselves

if Evolution were a fulproof theory I think there would be wayyyyyyyyy more examples found. the issue is that we are finding like barely ANY skeletons or fossils or supposedly earlier forms of humans. I mean its insane. Even something like Neanderthalls, we don't find a ton on, but earlier humans before that like nothinggg

 

in concept evolution is a somewhat logical idea but the issue is that it isn't backed by a lot of real claims. humans in our current sense and structure (the last 3000 or so years) have lasted such a short period of time that we have no literal basis to prove many of our claims

I find it strange that we find SO many dinosaur fossils yet so few early human fossils. Seriously google for yourself how many have been found. The ones have been found generally are TINY pieces that people sort of piece together

I'm just being real here- sure time has something to do with, millions of years, however dinosaur skeletons much older than early humans have been found intact, many species which were not very large

long term evolution is a huge question mark



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mountaindewslave said:

I find it strange that we find SO many dinosaur fossils yet so few early human fossils. Seriously google for yourself how many have been found. The ones have been found generally are TINY pieces that people sort of piece together

I'm just being real here- sure time has something to do with, millions of years, however dinosaur skeletons much older than early humans have been found intact, many species which were not very large

Dinosaurs roamed the entirety of the planet for nearly 200 million (200,000,000) years. The earliest human ancestors emerged a mere 2.5 million (2,500,000) years and were concentrated in only segments of the Earth. Frankly, it'd be bizarre if there were anywhere near as many human as dinosaur fossils.



Dulfite said:

Neither seems likely. Something coming from nothing, then that something exploding into an infinite amount of other somethings, and then out of all those ridiculous amount of somethings some of them form into massive objects that light up the universe, and then more random somethings come together to form smaller objects, and then out of that something, something somehow forms a breathable atmosphere, and then on that object that came from something that came from nothing came random organisms, and then those random organisms decide to evolve into other random things for no random purpose, and then eventually apes come into being and then they randomly evolve into humans.

It doesn't make any sense that anything exists at all.



noname2200 said:
mountaindewslave said:

I find it strange that we find SO many dinosaur fossils yet so few early human fossils. Seriously google for yourself how many have been found. The ones have been found generally are TINY pieces that people sort of piece together

I'm just being real here- sure time has something to do with, millions of years, however dinosaur skeletons much older than early humans have been found intact, many species which were not very large

Dinosaurs roamed the entirety of the planet for nearly 200 million (200,000,000) years. The earliest human ancestors emerged a mere 2.5 million (2,500,000) years and were concentrated in only segments of the Earth. Frankly, it'd be bizarre if there were anywhere near as many human as dinosaur fossils.

Humans have been around for thousands of years (as homosapien-sapien). There are already nearly 7 billion of us alive today. This is just a mental note for how many billion dead there are of us (not to mention we've made it easy for history with marked and unmarked graves). We've done a little number on nature in terms of the number of children we create and spread. We're also nomadic by nature, so that doesn't help at all.



S.T.A.G.E. said:
noname2200 said:

Dinosaurs roamed the entirety of the planet for nearly 200 million (200,000,000) years. The earliest human ancestors emerged a mere 2.5 million (2,500,000) years and were concentrated in only segments of the Earth. Frankly, it'd be bizarre if there were anywhere near as many human as dinosaur fossils.

Humans have been around for thousands of years (as homosapien-sapien). There are already nearly 7 billion of us alive today. This is just a mental note for how many billion dead there are of us (not to mention we've made it easy for history with marked and unmarked graves). We've done a little number on nature in terms of the number of children we create and spread. We're also nomadic by nature, so that doesn't help at all.

Homo sapiens is supposed to be about 200,000 years old. They probably only left East Africa 130,000 to 60,000 years ago.

More to the point (and much more distressingly for our future), our numbers have only exploded in the past hundred years or so, when we developed sufficiently advanced agriculture to produce an abundance of food, the science we need to store the food, infrastructure and machines to move the food where it needs to be, and the medicines to let us not die at the rate we should. Let's not forget such essentials as artificial fertilizers, automobiles, and germ theory are all younger than many (most?) modern nations. There were less than a billion of us when Napoleon kicked the bucket, for example.

The point is, there weren't as many of us as you'd think until recently. Additionally, we have plenty of samples of homo sapiens: it's earlier branches, like homo erectus, that we're largely blank on. That's not surprising, since these primitive hunter gatherers apparently didn't exactly survive long or even often. They certainly numbered far, far fewer than the dinosaurs.



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We didn't evolve from ape's... we share a common ancestor. It's not the same.

And yes, theres proof of evolution and theres fossils of previous stages, so yes, we did evolve in this planet. If we came from outer space, it wasnt humans, but something very primitive. Like the first single celular beeing or something.



Dulfite said:

Neither seems likely. Something coming from nothing, then that something exploding into an infinite amount of other somethings, and then out of all those ridiculous amount of somethings some of them form into massive objects that light up the universe, and then more random somethings come together to form smaller objects, and then out of that something, something somehow forms a breathable atmosphere, and then on that object that came from something that came from nothing came random organisms, and then those random organisms decide to evolve into other random things for no random purpose, and then eventually apes come into being and then they randomly evolve into humans.

It doesn't make any sense that anything exists at all.

That's because the time scales, and the very particular type of science involved (Quantum Mechanics and Astrophysics) are not something that humans have ever really needed to understand.  We do not observe things on the micro or macro level, so to us, it's nuckin futs.  It really does come across that way.  However, for those who've pondered and researched these things, we are beginning to understand a great deal about the whys.  So, if you are actually interested in seeing where we're at with regards to these things, as far as a human explanation for why everything is, here's the audiobook of Lawrence Krauss' (Theoretical Physicist and Cosmologist) A Universe from Nothing, obviously it's quite long, but it's a great book and I highly recommend it:


View on YouTube



mornelithe said:
Dulfite said:

Neither seems likely. Something coming from nothing, then that something exploding into an infinite amount of other somethings, and then out of all those ridiculous amount of somethings some of them form into massive objects that light up the universe, and then more random somethings come together to form smaller objects, and then out of that something, something somehow forms a breathable atmosphere, and then on that object that came from something that came from nothing came random organisms, and then those random organisms decide to evolve into other random things for no random purpose, and then eventually apes come into being and then they randomly evolve into humans.

It doesn't make any sense that anything exists at all.

That's because the time scales, and the very particular type of science involved (Quantum Mechanics and Astrophysics) are not something that humans have ever really needed to understand.  We do not observe things on the micro or macro level, so to us, it's nuckin futs.  It really does come across that way.  However, for those who've pondered and researched these things, we are beginning to understand a great deal about the whys.  So, if you are actually interested in seeing where we're at with regards to these things, as far as a human explanation for why everything is, here's the audiobook of Lawrence Krauss' (Theoretical Physicist and Cosmologist) A Universe from Nothing, obviously it's quite long, but it's a great book and I highly recommend it:


View on YouTube

I applaud you trying to educate him, but i think it's more of a motivational problem. Trying to understand the micro universe like its the macro universe is a common and very intentional mistake people make. It's not that they can't learn, but they don't wish to learn, because its so much easier and safer in their bubble. Understanding the universe implies getting out of your confort zone and the only perceptions you were biologically adapted to.

Thing like a particle beeing in two places at the same time is not something invented for the human mind to process. But, we got this far and we proved it happens.



The chances of aliens stumbling upon this planet is far less likely than random atoms congealing into living molecules.



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No. We are genetically related to every other life form on this planet. An alien creature that developed completely independently of the life on this planet wouldn't share genes or physical traits with creatures on this planet.

The only way we could conceivably be "aliens" is if life on this planet originated elsewhere and was brought here.