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This is a huge blow to America as if the last 7 years have not been enough. America needs to stop "accommodating" it's people because it is not working. Only 68% of people in America are working. That is the lowest percentage since 1977.  The Constitution was not drafted to "accommodate" people. 



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spurgeonryan said:
What does any of this that people are saying have to do with this person? He championed welfare?

He fed homeless Puppies I believe.



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Normchacho said:
JWeinCom said:

If they thin they're going tto lose the white house and the senate, then wouldn't it be better to do the appointment now?  If they lose the senate and the whitehouse, then Hilary or Bernie can push in whoever the hell they want.

My thinking is that they expect that giving Obama the win makes it more likely that they lose in November. Plus, if they delay and win, they get to put someone on the bench.

They could probably force Obama into some kind of compromise that wouldn't shift things too much.  I think that trying to block it would benefit the democrats.



JWeinCom said:
Normchacho said:

My thinking is that they expect that giving Obama the win makes it more likely that they lose in November. Plus, if they delay and win, they get to put someone on the bench.

They could probably force Obama into some kind of compromise that wouldn't shift things too much.  I think that trying to block it would benefit the democrats.

Yeah, I honestly think that going for at least a moderate is going to be the only realistic way Obama gets this through. Unless there is some sort of political backflip he can do that I'm unaware of.

But, I don't think it's even really about shifting the balance of the court. I just think they won't want to give Obama the chance to say "They tried to stop me from getting someone on the bench, but I did it anyways."



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Normchacho said:
mornelithe said:
Any nomination from Obama will likely be blocked by the GoP at this point in his lame duck presidency, additionally it creates another wrinkle as Justices Ginsberg and Kennedy are likely to retire during the next Presidency. Make no mistake, this makes the next presidency that much more important.

You think they'd hold a Supreme Court nomination for a year? I would think that they'd get pounded by democrats and probably the media for holding it for that long.

The longest time between a nomination and a confirmation so far has been 125 days, they really think they can push more than 340?

You don't think the party that held... what was it, something like 17 separate investigations into Benghazi?... would try that? You don't think the party that has attempted to undo Obamacare something like 40 times (failing every single time) would do it?

If anything is going to make them push to get it dealt with sooner, it'll be the fact that they've currently lost their conservative lean - it was 4 on the left, 4 on the right, and Kennedy, who was the "swing" vote, but tended to the right. Now without Scalia, Kennedy becomes the one who either supports the left-wing majority or ties things up.

The Republicans are going to want that position filled ASAP. And I can't help but wonder if they might push for a West Wing style deal (as in the episode, "The Supremes") - have Ginsburg retire now, have the Democrats nominate a staunch left-wing justice to replace her, and have the Republicans nominate a staunch right-wing justice to replace Scalia. And then confirm them both, thus ensuring that both sides get "what they want" rather than ending up with a situation where only milksop moderates are able to be successfully nominated and confirmed within a reasonable period.

The Republicans "need" to get the position filled - even if they were guaranteed a clean sweep of House, Senate, and White House at the next election, quite a bit of "damage" to their interests can be done in the next year. It's the Democrats that have reason to gamble on treading water until the next election - if polls are anything to go by, the Democrats are likely to hold onto the White House, and if they do so, the worst case is that nothing changes, and they can do a deal then. If they can grab hold of House and/or Senate, they'll be better-placed to shift the balance of the courts to the left. The odds are in the Democrats favour.

The sad part is, what I've just said, as reason why the Republicans shouldn't try to delay... won't be how the current Republicans are thinking. Rational thought isn't the current Republican Party's strong suit, they're going to try to delay, even though it's entirely against their interest to do so, harming them in the lead up to the election and likely ending with them losing the right-lean of the court next year. Because the reason not to delay is based on two-step reasoning, and they're not going to go past one-step reasoning - "if we win big in November, we get to nominate whoever we want".



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Aielyn said:
Normchacho said:

You think they'd hold a Supreme Court nomination for a year? I would think that they'd get pounded by democrats and probably the media for holding it for that long.

The longest time between a nomination and a confirmation so far has been 125 days, they really think they can push more than 340?

You don't think the party that held... what was it, something like 17 separate investigations into Benghazi?... would try that? You don't think the party that has attempted to undo Obamacare something like 40 times (failing every single time) would do it?

If anything is going to make them push to get it dealt with sooner, it'll be the fact that they've currently lost their conservative lean - it was 4 on the left, 4 on the right, and Kennedy, who was the "swing" vote, but tended to the right. Now without Scalia, Kennedy becomes the one who either supports the left-wing majority or ties things up.

The Republicans are going to want that position filled ASAP. And I can't help but wonder if they might push for a West Wing style deal (as in the episode, "The Supremes") - have Ginsburg retire now, have the Democrats nominate a staunch left-wing justice to replace her, and have the Republicans nominate a staunch right-wing justice to replace Scalia. And then confirm them both, thus ensuring that both sides get "what they want" rather than ending up with a situation where only milksop moderates are able to be successfully nominated and confirmed within a reasonable period.

The Republicans "need" to get the position filled - even if they were guaranteed a clean sweep of House, Senate, and White House at the next election, quite a bit of "damage" to their interests can be done in the next year. It's the Democrats that have reason to gamble on treading water until the next election - if polls are anything to go by, the Democrats are likely to hold onto the White House, and if they do so, the worst case is that nothing changes, and they can do a deal then. If they can grab hold of House and/or Senate, they'll be better-placed to shift the balance of the courts to the left. The odds are in the Democrats favour.

The sad part is, what I've just said, as reason why the Republicans shouldn't try to delay... won't be how the current Republicans are thinking. Rational thought isn't the current Republican Party's strong suit, they're going to try to delay, even though it's entirely against their interest to do so, harming them in the lead up to the election and likely ending with them losing the right-lean of the court next year. Because the reason not to delay is based on two-step reasoning, and they're not going to go past one-step reasoning - "if we win big in November, we get to nominate whoever we want".

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Bigsilvs said:

This is a huge blow to America as if the last 7 years have not been enough. America needs to stop "accommodating" it's people because it is not working. Only 68% of people in America are working. That is the lowest percentage since 1977.  The Constitution was not drafted to "accommodate" people. 

Scalia is the worst POS to ever serve on the bench.  I'm not glad he is dead, but I am overjoyed that he is no longer on the court.



Scalia wasn't all bad. He did support gaming. But his politics were about as anti the founding principals of the USA as one could get. He was pro theological above all else - which was one of those important reasons the colonies declared war with England in 1776. He wanted and inject religion into the US Government (where it does not belong.)

He has been a terrible worry for many US Citizens the last many years. Him being gone not only eliminates his vote, but also Justice Thomas, who only twice has ever disagreed with Scalia.

Republicans will no doubt fight against whomever Obama nominates. But the process lasting more than 4 months is unlikely.

Now that he is gone, I hope we can get a reasonable thinking person to replace him.

PS RIP and peace to his friends and families.



 

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spurgeonryan said:
What does any of this that people are saying have to do with this person? He championed welfare?

You know... if you want to find out... you could just like google it.



JWeinCom said:
AAA300 said:
I can only pray that the Senate can block this appointment till next year!!!!

The longest it has ever taken to appoint a justice is four months.  If you're ok with one party hijacking the political process to further their agenda, then ok I guess.

Hijacking can be spun both ways. But the way I see it the people have spoken since the last election and voted for Republicans to take over the house and senate. So if Obama with his short time left trys to put a way left judge for a appointment the Senate should block it as the people have voted the last election to go in a different direction. I doubt he'll try to meet half way with this appointment.