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I can only pray that the Senate can block this appointment till next year!!!!



Azuren said:
JWeinCom said:

Uhhhhh... and that has to do with the constitution how?  Article 1 section 8 of the constitution specifically gives congress the ability to levy taxes for common defense and general welfare.  Healthcare certainly falls under general welfare.  So, I fail to see how this is unconstitutional in any way.

Oh, it's just a counter to the whole "We pay taxes, we can be drafted, the government can do blah blah blah" position. The fact is this isn't something for the safety of others, or for the continued existence of our country (both in finance and defense). This is something that sat everyone down and said "Oh, that thing that you've been fighting for to have for free? Oh, you'll get it! Don't worry! Did you say free? We heard expensive. Whoops!"

Obamacare is nothing but an insurance drafted joke. It's a convoluted system that gives insurance companies even more power than they had at the cost of being able to turn people away. Oh, sure, they can't deny you because of medical issues. But they can charge extra because of it. Oh, can't afford it? Well here's your Obamacare- oh wait, do you make any amount of money whatsoever?. Sorry, the private healthcare was cheaper.

My mother can't afford healthcare anymore because my dad makes too much to get a good rate, but not enough to afford a bad one. And the healthcare that she had? Well, apparently they were allowed to raise their rates on my mom. So either my mom's health degrades to the point of death, or they declare bankruptcy. Obamacare isliterally killing my family. So no, it doesn't work. Honestly, the "You have to have healthcare cause it's the law" is only the tip of the iceberg on how much absolute BULLSHIT the entire bill is. It didn't help us. It took a shitty situation and shit all over it by making absolutely sure that every American was a customer, whether they want it or not. All because those things that masquerade as humans at the top of those insurance companies wanted more benjamens to line their pockets. And on a more personal level, I have absolutely zero respect for anyone who thinks that Obamacare works or is a good idea. Maybe in the beginning, sure. When it really was free healthcare.

But not this. So yeah, I hope they put someone in there who will start overturning this giant, unpolished piece of horse refuse.

 

Added: All that said, I'm withdrawing from this conversation. I don't believe I can have any form of level-headed discussion on this topic.

I could argue about Obamacare itself (which gives me insurance that I otherwise could not afford at all), but I don't have the energy to talk about this completely separate topic.

Nothing in your post has anything to do with constitutionality.  It is clearly constitutional.  So, whoever is the justice should deem that it is constitutional. If you think it's simply a bad idea, then that's an issue for congress, not the supreme court.  



AAA300 said:
I can only pray that the Senate can block this appointment till next year!!!!

The longest it has ever taken to appoint a justice is four months.  If you're ok with one party hijacking the political process to further their agenda, then ok I guess.



JWeinCom said:
AAA300 said:
I can only pray that the Senate can block this appointment till next year!!!!

The longest it has ever taken to appoint a justice is four months.  If you're ok with one party hijacking the political process to further their agenda, then ok I guess.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/filibuster

We already know the answer to that question.



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Normchacho said:
JWeinCom said:

The longest it has ever taken to appoint a justice is four months.  If you're ok with one party hijacking the political process to further their agenda, then ok I guess.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/filibuster

We already know the answer to that question.

That could backfire though.  Democrats tend to do better with a higher voter turnout.  Delaying the appointment could galvanize left leaning voters.



JWeinCom said:
Normchacho said:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/filibuster

We already know the answer to that question.

That could backfire though.  Democrats tend to do better with a higher voter turnout.  Delaying the appointment could galvanize left leaning voters.

Oh, I know. I think this hurts the Republicans chances in November either way. They either look like the bad guy for delaying an appointment, or they give the president a huge political win during an election year.

But, considering that there is a very real chance they could lose the Senate AND fail to take the White House this year. I think they'll see delaying an appointment as the lesser of two evils.



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Normchacho said:
JWeinCom said:

That could backfire though.  Democrats tend to do better with a higher voter turnout.  Delaying the appointment could galvanize left leaning voters.

Oh, I know. I think this hurts the Republicans chances in November either way. They either look like the bad guy for delaying an appointment, or they give the president a huge political win during an election year.

But, considering that there is a very real chance they could lose the Senate AND fail to take the White House this year. I think they'll see delaying an appointment as the lesser of two evils.

If they thin they're going tto lose the white house and the senate, then wouldn't it be better to do the appointment now?  If they lose the senate and the whitehouse, then Hilary or Bernie can push in whoever the hell they want.



JWeinCom said:
Normchacho said:

Oh, I know. I think this hurts the Republicans chances in November either way. They either look like the bad guy for delaying an appointment, or they give the president a huge political win during an election year.

But, considering that there is a very real chance they could lose the Senate AND fail to take the White House this year. I think they'll see delaying an appointment as the lesser of two evils.

If they thin they're going tto lose the white house and the senate, then wouldn't it be better to do the appointment now?  If they lose the senate and the whitehouse, then Hilary or Bernie can push in whoever the hell they want.

My thinking is that they expect that giving Obama the win makes it more likely that they lose in November. Plus, if they delay and win, they get to put someone on the bench.



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spurgeonryan said:
Rip
Never heard of him.

Pretty much this, US politics is more like reality TV now than actual politics.



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