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Nice... Didn't see this. That would be amazing!



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Steam might be in trouble if this happens.



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As I have said in past MS is planning to invest in PC. Instead of next Xbox there will be next Xbox store for PC. Pretty exciting.



So long as it doesn't become GFWL it will be good.



Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
Steam might be in trouble if this happens.

What could Steam even do to counter an eco system that isn't owned by them?.

I mean Steam so far has the bigger library and full mod support with other features MS still hasn't supported for years and still shows no signs of. Has MS said anything at all about showing mod support for any of their store exclusive games the way Valve has for years for their own?. I'm not a Vlave fanboy btw but I still see Steam being better than their store and well I have no interest in getting an X1 so the deal is moot to me and I know I'm definitely not alone on that deal. It;s likely to be a great deal for those that own both a PC and X1 (pretty slow number of users I would imagine), but for those that don't, it's unlikely to get them to grab a box for £300+ just to get a game and then get it free for their PC.



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hlfbkd420 said:
So long as it doesn't become GFWL it will be good.

Well technically they are creating it. They never once said they were scrapping GFWL forever. The way they are going about it now means they will only release the majority of their games onto their Windows 10 store (hur, "we're not competing with Steam" > opens up shop) and theywill only be playable on Windows 10 and X1. You won't be able to really mod those games in much if any way either. The way things are with them integrating Xbox into the OS and store while locking PC ports to Windows 10 only effectively means it's akin to GFWL 2.0, the OS/store lock with mods of any sort is basically DRM itself, just double layered (Steam counts as a single layer but an OS/Store lock counts as double).

Apart from me not liking 10 at all and opting out of using it, the general idea of them wishing to lock all those ports to the W10 store and OS is enough to put me off along with no mention of mod support at all. You are basically playing where they tell you to play once you buy the game and what you can/cannot do with your game.



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Chazore said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
Steam might be in trouble if this happens.

What could Steam even do to counter an eco system that isn't owned by them?.

I mean Steam so far has the bigger library and full mod support with other features MS still hasn't supported for years and still shows no signs of. Has MS said anything at all about showing mod support for any of their store exclusive games the way Valve has for years for their own?. I'm not a Vlave fanboy btw but I still see Steam being better than their store and well I have no interest in getting an X1 so the deal is moot to me and I know I'm definitely not alone on that deal. It;s likely to be a great deal for those that own both a PC and X1 (pretty slow number of users I would imagine), but for those that don't, it's unlikely to get them to grab a box for £300+ just to get a game and then get it free for their PC.

That's why I said "might"

That being said steam isn't competing with with Windows as an OS, at least not yet, but Windows as a PC games vendor.

Bigger library yeah, full mod support yeah ok, but its a lot easier, to have a Window's store account and a Steam account, as opposed to differing consoles or differing platforms, and account ownership is pretty pointless in the realm of pc vendors. Its the software sales that matter, which is why this can harm Steam. Even if you don't have an XB1, until the steam deals come in, this automatically "soft" discounts games on Windows store as opposed to Steam. You can simply stop buying 3rd party games on Steam and get them on Windows Store.

It's most definetely a likely threat to Steam.



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Good to see Microsoft jumping on board this practice. It's been very good to me when buying games that are cross buy on the ps3/vita/ps4. Good news for gamers.



I was pissed at first, but when I realized it was a bonus feature with XB1 games (I know its limited, but still), my doubts went away! 

 

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Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

That's why I said "might"

That being said steam isn't competing with with Windows as an OS, at least not yet, but Windows as a PC games vendor.

Bigger library yeah, full mod support yeah ok, but its a lot easier, to have a Window's store account and a Steam account, as opposed to differing consoles or differing platforms, and account ownership is pretty pointless in the realm of pc vendors. Its the software sales that matter, which is why this can harm Steam. Even if you don't have an XB1, until the steam deals come in, this automatically "soft" discounts games on Windows store as opposed to Steam. You can simply stop buying 3rd party games on Steam and get them on Windows Store.

It's most definetely a likely threat to Steam.

It might be like you say but I honestly don't see them taking back the biggest share of the pie anytime soon. It will take years of earning more users and their trust back along with doing what Steam does and copying everything they have on their client and try to one up them on what they current do.

 

I know software sales are all that matter on PC but it's no good if you lock all the games to a single OS and store at a much later date (seriously it feels like forever since they said Gears was coming and it still hasn't come and they have been super quiet about the PC port entirely which is worrying even their dedicated PC fans over on the GoW forums). I mean at elast with Team they give their exclusives to other OS's, only difference is you of course have to use their store but the added benefits follow into using their store like said mod support, massive library of diverse titles not owned in any way by valve and with devs naturally throwing their titles willingly up on Steam. With MS it's mostly money deals or "I tell you to sell on my store" (remember the whole indie push with an iron fist in terms of contracts and how well that went for them?).

Totally admit freely that Valve does some stupid shit and backfires (like charging for mods or super late refund system) but they haven't done the elvels that MS had done and as such MS still has a ways to go to get back a good chunk of the market, this latest idea of theirs is good but it's not going to be the first and final strike to Valv. Sure it will definitely be a threat but not a collosal "Hey look at the constant millions upon millions of users and money we're getting from this alone" kind of threat.

Also the store as far as I know supports 10 only, Steam supports Linux, Mac, Steam OS, windows 7,8,8.1 and 10, that's like a huge advantage to Steam and even the likes of GoG and other vendors. MS is literally banking on their own brand, their own form of control vs everyone else. their chances of getting back to that 90's god of PC gaming status just ain't going to happen, not for a loooong time with the current forms of competition and how quickly the markets evolve with time, much fater than what the market was like in the 90's.



Step right up come on in, feel the buzz in your veins, I'm like an chemical electrical right into your brain and I'm the one who killed the Radio, soon you'll all see

So pay up motherfuckers you belong to "V"