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Physicists in England claim they have discovered how to create matter from light, by smashing together individual massless photons– a feat that was first theorized back in 1934, and has been considered practically impossible until now. If this new discovery pans out, the final piece of the physics jigsaw puzzle that describes how light and matter interact would be complete. No one’s quite sure of the repercussions if matter can indeed be produced from photon-photon collision, but I’m sure something awesomely scientific will emerge before long.

Way back in 1930, British theoretical physicist Paul Dirac theorized that an electron and its antimatter counterpart (a positron) could be annihilated (combined) to produce two photons. Then, in 1934, two physicists — Breit and Wheeler — proposed that the opposite should also be true: That two photons could be smashed together to produce an electron and positron (a Breit-Wheeler pair). In other words, that light can be converted into matter, and vice versa — or, to phrase it another way, E=mc2 works in both directions. This would close one of the last gaps in particle physics that has been theorized, but has proven very hard to prove through observation.

The reason it’s proven hard to observe is that photons, a lot like neutrinos or electrons, are incredibly small. Furthermore, photons are massless. These two factors make it very, very hard to collide two photons together. Basically, the only real way of guaranteeing any collisions is to pump some beams of photons up to massive energy levels (think billions of times more energetic than normal visible light), inject them into a small space, and then hope that a few Breit-Wheeler pairs are created.

That is essentially the crux of this new discovery: Steven Rose and Oliver Pike of Imperial College London have come up with a way of getting the photons up to the necessary energy levels to guarantee some collisions. They propose the use of a high-powered laser, which would then slam into a slab of gold, producing a high-intensity gamma ray (photons). Then, further down the line you would have a gold hohlraum (literally hollow space), also excited by a laser to produce a big, fat field of photons. You then smash the gamma ray into the hohlraum (pictured at the top of the story) and, according to Rose and Pike, you get some electrons and positrons flying out the other end. Voila: Proof that Breit and Wheeler knew what they were talking about. [doi:10.1038/nphoton.2014.95 – “A photon–photon collider in a vacuum hohlraum”]

In nature, photon-photon collisions are thought to occur during gamma-ray bursts (GRBs). GRBs are the most violent explosions that our universe can produce — that we’ve discovered, anyway — and they occur vary rarely, usually during a super or hypernova. A nearby GRB would probably wipe out most of the life on Earth. Perhaps more importantly, though, it’s believed that the Big Bang itself — during the first 100 seconds or so of the creation of the universe — would’ve also played host to these photon-photon collisions. We desperately want to find out more about the universe’s first few seconds, and recreating some of those primordial processes here on Earth is one of the best ways of doing just that.

For now, this discovery is purely theoretical — but Rose and Pike say that there are plenty of laboratories around the world that have the equipment to perform photon-photon collisions. High-power lasers are ten a penny nowadays, and hohlraums areusually used in fusion experiments. “The race to carry out and complete the experiment is on,” Pike says.

Source: http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/182701-scientists-work-out-how-create-matter-from-light-finally-proving-einsteins-emc2

Now, I'm no physicist, but this sounds like a particularly exciting discovery.  Any physicists/enthusiasts able to convey how important this is?

 

 

 



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I remember reading about this exact discovery (by the same people) two years ago

(source)
http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/newsandeventspggrp/imperialcollege/newssummary/news_16-5-2014-15-32-44

Also they didn't "discover" it per se, they just figured out a way to do it, we already knew it was possible.

EDIT: Seems like the article you posted is also in fact about 2 years old, slowpoke



Teeqoz said:

I remember reading about this exact discovery (by the same people) two years ago

(source)
http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/newsandeventspggrp/imperialcollege/newssummary/news_16-5-2014-15-32-44

Also they didn't "discover" it per se, they just figured out a way to do it, we already knew it was possible.

EDIT: Seems like the articly you posted is also in fact about 2 years old, slowpoke

It was linked to me, I didn't even notice the timestamp lol :)



Nah, I personally don't think is a big deal considering the theory is over 110 years old ...



fatslob-:O said:
Nah, I personally don't think is a big deal considering the theory is over 110 years old ...

The theory may be old, their process however is quite new in comparison.



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fatslob-:O said:
Nah, I personally don't think is a big deal considering the theory is over 110 years old ...

1934 wasn't 110 years ago :-3



Teeqoz said:

I remember reading about this exact discovery (by the same people) two years ago

(source)
http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/newsandeventspggrp/imperialcollege/newssummary/news_16-5-2014-15-32-44

Also they didn't "discover" it per se, they just figured out a way to do it, we already knew it was possible.

EDIT: Seems like the article you posted is also in fact about 2 years old, slowpoke

more importantly they did all the theoretical physics math to proof that based on todays knowledge there is a significant chance of photon-photon reactions being detectable through the proposed experimental setup



mornelithe said:

The theory is 110 years old, their process however is quite new in comparison.

They found another new application, I'll give them that much ...



Teeqoz said:

1934 wasn't 110 years ago :-3

If we go by paper date it was 110 years ago ...

The title in english is "On the Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies" ...



fatslob-:O said:
Nah, I personally don't think is a big deal considering the theory is over 110 years old ...

the important thing here is, that they showed through maths (based on todays understandings) that their proposed setup has a good chance of detecting photon-photon reactions

there isn't enough money and resources to just build every setup people come up with, so it's very important to be able to proof mathematically, that in theory this should work

and if it doesn't that's an exciting result aswell, as it could indicate our models can be further tweaked or unknown effects/interactions still linger out there waiting to be found