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Nuvendil said:
Kennel83 said:
Reading the comments section on youtube is so annoying. People saying this is a shit remaster that looks far worse than dolphin, and things like why should I buy this when I can play it for free on dolphin? It gets on my nerves. Don´t they realise that it´s some kind of piracy and therefore it´s illegal?
I´m the first one saying they could have done more to this remaster (also, some people still think this is a remake not a remaster) but calling it a cash grab and complaining about everything just for the sake of complaining is wrong. I don´t remember reading so much shit about The Last Of Us remastered, and that game came what? one year after the ps3 version? This game is almost ten years old ffs, I bet a lot of the complaints come from people who wasn´t going to buy the game anyway, so why complain in the first place?
I´ve had my doubts as well (the game still looks ugly, but that´s something about the artstyle not the graphics so...) but the game looks great and I´ll be there day one.

What all those Dolphin enthusiasts forget is that there are four distinct advantages to this remaster.  First, convenience.  You have to fiddle with Dolphin a bit and get your controller to work with it.  Not overly difficult, but an extra step.  Second, guaranteed performance.  Emulators are massive resource hogs and hit and miss depending on your PC specs.  My laptop is far, far, far more powerful than a Wii and yet the original Metroid prime runs like complete ass in sub-720p cause Dolphin just doesn't like my graphics card.  So yeah, a lot of people would be unable to get stable performance for straight Twilight Princess running at 1080p with AA, much less the game plus a ton of texture and FX enhancements.  Third, greater preservation.  I've seen a number of TP texture packs, most of the most technically advanced also change the art direction, in some areas quite considerably.  Fourth, greater artistry (namely in textures).  Now I'm not knocking the talent of these teams.  But a lot of these packs have texture quality inconsistency, over aggressive use of certain effects like bump mapping, and more importantly textures that tile way to obviously.  The latter is a very common problem I've seen over years of modding experience but is usually hidden under grass meshes.  But TP doesn't use grass meshes.  So the obnoxious tiling is exposed at all times.  So the textures in the official remaster are better designed and at least of equal and often greater resolution.  

So yeah, I think there's plenty to recommend TP HD to a lot of people.  If some TP fans want to instead play it on Dolphin rather than buy it again, that's their business but they need to stop over hyping dolphin.

Exactly! Not everyone knows how to deal with Dolphin, it´s not that easy (I know I couldn´t), but even if I could, I wouldn´t do it. As you say, it´s better to play on a console where you know you won´t have problems with the gameplay, the controller will work perfectly all the time and the original vision of the game is preserved, only improved. But people fails to see that and only think that on Dolphin is free.

In Spain the game is 39,94€, I can´t see how is that so much to ask for a remaster of a ten year old game. 



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The fact that this isn't stable 30 is laughable. It doesn't even look that great.



Volterra_90 said:
Kennel83 said:

Yeah! Just look at the wii version of TP, it´s so bad that I couldn´t even finish it. The textures have been improved a lot, I still think they should have done something to the lighting or at least add more contrast to the game, but come on, it´s noticeable that they have worked a lot.

But if you read the comments on youtube, facebook, other forums... people say the game has barely any improvement at all. One must be pretty blind to not see those improvements. What were they expecting? The game is still going to be "ugly" is not a remake, is a remaster of a 10 year old game.

That's what bothers me. You have to be pretty blind to not see any improvement. There are improvements, that's a fact, and nobody can deny it. I see comments saying "this is shit, they look the same". What the fuck, man, it obviously doesn't look the same! XDD. People might think that the remake could have been better. Of course, I think the same. It could've been better. But it's not bad at all. 

To the comment above, yeah, I'd really love it to be a TP remake. I strong emphasise the word remake. When it was revealed that it wasn't going to be a remake, I was dissapointed, but I stopped expecting a Zelda E3 Demo, because... They're not fooling you, it's a remaster. 

Of course they are noticeable, that bothers me as well, people is either trolling or not paying attention at all because you can see the improvements everywhere. For example, I can´t justify games like AC AF or Mario Tennis (although the last one is really fun to play, only pretty barebones in content) but this remaster, though it started looking pretty rough it ended up looking great (like almost all of Nintendo games do, looking at you 3D World xD).

If I expected a remake or a Zelda E3 demo I would be pissed too, but its pretty naive to expect that when we have seen what the wii u can and can´t do and right now it´s not capable of that. But, if the NX won´t have those graphics then maaaybe I´ll get mad at them, ´cause it´s about time Nintendo! xD



Wagram said:
The fact that this isn't stable 30 is laughable. It doesn't even look that great.

So, if it goes down in one area on the game, a little, is unstable. Fair criticism here.

Kennel83 said:

Of course they are noticeable, that bothers me as well, people is either trolling or not paying attention at all because you can see the improvements everywhere. For example, I can´t justify games like AC AF or Mario Tennis (although the last one is really fun to play, only pretty barebones in content) but this remaster, though it started looking pretty rough it ended up looking great (like almost all of Nintendo games do, looking at you 3D World xD).

If I expected a remake or a Zelda E3 demo I would be pissed too, but its pretty naive to expect that when we have seen what the wii u can and can´t do and right now it´s not capable of that. But, if the NX won´t have those graphics then maaaybe I´ll get mad at them, ´cause it´s about time Nintendo! xD

Yeah, I'm glad that games like Amiibo Festival or Mario Tennis bombed. The problem with the last one is that it's barebones. Maybe if they did an Splatoon approach, with free updates, thematic courts... That'll do it. But as it is, it deserves all the bomb it could get. And yes, it's fair to say that Nintendo has an special skill to make everything looks shit at the beginning and then release something completely different xDDDDD. I appreciate that they're honest about games, and I always know how they look at the moment, but that's not an approach that sells games. We're now used to CGI cinematic approach to make the game looks spectacular... 



Wagram said:
The fact that this isn't stable 30 is laughable. It doesn't even look that great.

FPS drop was in just one area, forest area with fog, in every part of video was stable 30fps.



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And the frame rate issues are definitely the engine. Wind Waker HD has the same problem when things get busy. It's a decade old engine, it was never intended to handle these draw distances and texture resolution. It being developed by a third party likely doesn't help but the fact is even the lauded, praised, nearly worshipped WWHD developed by Nintendo (which BTW had lower res textures and significantly lower polygon counts than this despite the lighting improvements) has some really heavy hits to frames in certain areas.



Goodnightmoon said:
Volterra_90 said:

Yeah, definitely. And I would be very surprised if it manages to be 900p. I'd say it will be a 720p/30fps game. But who knows? I'm ready to be surprised xDDDD.

I'm fully expecting 720p/30fps. I'm expecting them to be completely gorgeous too and thanks to the artstyle they will be probably very sharp even at 720p.

Yeah, Zelda U will almost certainly be 720p/30fps, at least on Wii U.

30fps is standard for the series, while the level of scale and graphical fidelity it's pushing rules out resolutions higher than 720p.

Thankfully, the framerate will likely be rock solid, and if they throw in the same AA solution they used in games like Mario 3D World, Captain Toad, and Wind Waker HD, image quality should be nice as well.

A game can still be gorgeous at 720/30fps; see Trine 2 Director's Cut, for example.



No 60!?

Damn. Should have at least made it optional, I don't mind a graphics hit... At least the game isn't too fast-paced.



cycycychris said:

So basicly, it runs at 30 fps at 1080p. They found that the frame rate is stable most of the time, but there is drops.

They made a few comment on the improvements. Textures are remade, shadows and character faces redone. Along with reflections on floors.

here's an example of the reflections

 

They didn't mention it, but there appears to be AA used in the game. Which so much improves these images.

That screen shot is simple beauty.



It was fun reading the comment section of the video.