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fatslob-:O said:
Farsala said:

Interesting stuff becomes money, no? Just because Trump doesn't have to spend, does not mean that spending is not happening from everyone else on his behalf.

That of course includes these very words, which is why I often ignore politics. I am giving him free marketing.

How well media coverage translates to victory is variable or maybe it's the other way around ? 

Maybe these people really do want to vote for Trump deep in their hearts and hence it begets more coverage for him LOL ... 

Have you ever thought that there are really people out there that do want to promote Trump at their own expense ?

Of course, I just didn't think it would be this high. In 2000 he had 7% as a democrat or some such. Now after his apprentice show and becoming a republican he is at 24%.



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Farsala said:

Of course, I just didn't think it would be this high. In 2000 he had 7% as a democrat or some such. Now after his apprentice show and becoming a republican he is at 24%.

He was in the "reform party" when he attempted to run for the presidential campaign in 2000 ... 

Why his support is this high is probably because quite a few American citizens are feeling this way or they want someone different and so maybe Trump has succeeded in that aspect ...

Heck even I'm buying into some of his things as an educated one! 



I lived in Iowa during one of the elections. That place is a mad house. But the people I worked with all took their position as the first place to vote seriously. There were quite a few arguments over politics. But the real winner in the Iowa primary? TV stations. Leading up to the vote that thing is nothing but political advertisements and messages. Those guys must make off like bandits.



Where are the birthers now?



If Rubio takes the estabilishment votes from Christie, Kasich and Bush while Cruz and Trump split the most hardcore, he's going to have another strong showing on New Hampshire, and probably come first down the line. Maybe the Republican party is saner than a lot thought they were (as in, picking the electable candidate after all).



 

 

 

 

 

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Huckabee is out. Bush and Santorum, Fiorina, and Christie will be gone either soon or just after NH. Carson will probably drop out after NH.

Paul is going to stick it out for a while. He'll come fourth, overall, and he'll benefit from a thinning crowd (the people who were voting for the above candidates are clearly not individuals who just want to 'pick the winner'). He'll get a spot at the convention, and probably a chunk of delegates, but will end up back in the Senate next year.

I think Bush, Christie and Fiorina dropping out will benefit Rubio the most. Carson, Santorum, and Huckabee will help Cruz the most. If Paul drops out, that'll help Cruz.

I honestly think that Clinton will win the Dem nomination, and it's currently a toss up between Rubio and Cruz for GOP.

If Cruz wins GOP, Clinton wins general.
If Rubio wins GOP, Rubio wins general.

I don't think Trump will win any state. I think he'll be a close second in many. Thing is, he's at 30%-40% in the polls, which puts him first. But he's a love/hate candidate. The remaining 60-70% won't side with him, even if their personal first choice drops out.



Even though I dislike Cruz even more than Trump (Cruz atleast has political power) I'm glad that Trump came in second and was only 2300 votes from being third. This will give Rubio a massive boost and I'm not to sure if Trump will be able to come out of this situation as a winner.



Rubio actually comes out looking better here IMO. He's shown that he is a viable candidate for people to vote for, and there's enough % of primary votes shared among the people who will start to drop out that Rubio could easily end up on top if he can snag a large part of the votes from those drop outs.



“The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.” - Bertrand Russell

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."

Jimi Hendrix

 

Normchacho said:
CosmicSex said:

Oboma won both years. 

Obama won the 2012 Iowa caucus? That's very impressive.

Yes he did.  Like in reality he did.  By like 98%

But I was suggesting that the Republican Iowa caucus doesn't matter.   



CosmicSex said:
Normchacho said:

Obama won the 2012 Iowa caucus? That's very impressive.

Yes he did.  Like in reality he did.  By like 98%

But I was suggesting that the Republican Iowa caucus doesn't matter.   

Yes, I know he did, I was just that well, yeah, of course he did.



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