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FragilE^ said:
KungKras said:

It's a bit more complicated than that. As I said, in the Swedish conciousness, the rise of SD is seen as one of our biggest national embarrassments ever and everyone but them are steaming furious. You would have to live here to understand how angry people are at them. So parties will do everything possible in order to distance themselves from holding even remotely similar views. The government can't put politicians on probation, that's up to the individual parties. At least I think that is how it works, I mean the whole of SD would have been put on probation for not being "politically correct" if the government had that kind of power.

Our government is one of the least corrupt ones in the entire world. I would be very surprised if there was some kind of conspiracy to shut down dialogue. I think the hate of SD has sort of polarized the debate and led to people being constantly on their guard for everything resembling a pro-SD sentiment. And I think it's the best we can do against them. Show them that no matter their numbers, they will never be considered  a legitimate party by the rest of the country.

Third largest party, possibly even larger. Well Fuck what the people want, fuck democracy and fuck free thought.

Just do like Korea, have only one possible candidate. With that system, we won't have the "risk" of people voting on the "wrong" party. Everyone wins! Right?

What are you talking about? The other parties are fully free to refuse to work with them. On what planet is that a dictatorship? Also until they get over 50% of the vote they will by definition not be "what the people want".

In fact, what most people want is for them to dissapear.



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Puppyroach said:
KungKras said:

Currently in sweden, the state decides how many immigrants that we can take in every year. The state is further divided, with the smallest divisions called communes. These communes can have their own policies and are currently allowed to take in zero immigrants if they so wish. This does not in any way affect the total number that the Swedish state takes in.

So what happens when communes can say no to taking in refugees? Some will say no because of economics, they want other communes to bear ther financial load. And others will say no because xenophobic local politicians were voted in. The result is that the communes that do not refuse refugees will have to take in everyone that the other ones refused. Leading to immigrant concentration, ghettos and the like.

Worst of all is that the rich communes take the least responsibility yet have the best opportunity to receive many immigrants.

Exactly. And it messes up the integration process. May of the problems we have could be midigated over night if this was fixed.

Another thing that this would greatly improve is that a lot of the immigrants would be going to swede-heavy schools and sort of have to mix with the population and our ideals that way. Instead some schools being immigrant-heavy the way it is today.



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m0ney said:
                                       

2) Part of Sweden's elite somehow has gotten insane in their liberality due to great life and is unable to see and comprehend reality anymore.

We have this same problem in Canada and USA but Sweden appears to just be a little further along.  Liberalism has been growing steadily in influence and power for the last 50 years and most elites are totally bought into the ideology while they have no conservative principles to counter balance their views.  The reality is that embracing liberalism and labelling conservatives as being backwards and behind the times has worked really well for the western elites for the last 50 years.   The concept of creating a utopia by forcing everyone to be equal and opposing anything white, Christian or traditional has given the elites some very simple answers to life and this simplicity is alluring and fulfilling.  The problem is that, like all fanatical ideologies, liberal ideology will inevitably fail because the world is not an ideal place.

Liberal ideology worked well over the past 50 years because this was a time when there was legitimately unjust racism towards ethnic minorities and placing restrictions on the white, traditional majorities really did serve to bring about more equality and limit some actual injustices.  The scales are finally tilting now in countries like Sweden where the majority of the injustices in these countries can no longer be attributed to actions of the white majority.  Like all ideologies, however, liberalism is inflexible and its solution will always be to try to bring about additional equality by placing further restrictions on white, Christian, "traditional" majorities.  The problem is that restricting whites now is actually making the problem worse and this is why we are seeing the media cover-up any criminal activities committed by immigrants while many white white victims are being outright ignored.  The victims are actually being attacked now by the elites, while the criminals are being protected.

Most people don't realize it, but what we're seeing in Sweden could actually be the beginning of the end of the entire western liberal ideology that will one day come to all of the western world.  You can't take pieces of an ideology and reject others... it's an all or nothing proposition.  The elites have oriented themselves towards a belief that a perfect world can exist if they try to make everone equal by opposing anything white or traditional and that belief doesn't allow for exceptions.  This is why the Swedish elites cannot back down on their support for immigrants even though it is incredibly unpopular.  If they have to forefeit on this one issue then their entire ideology becomes an imperfect proposition: women's equality, abortion, homosexuality, and sate secularism which have their roots from the same ideology all become vulnerable.  30 years from now, the west could look very similar to Russia today which is a country that is rapidly abandoning Soviet-era athiesm and is returning to Christian principles. 



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Illusion said:
m0ney said:
                                       

2) Part of Sweden's elite somehow has gotten insane in their liberality due to great life and is unable to see and comprehend reality anymore.

We have this same problem in Canada and USA but Sweden appears to just be a little further along.  Liberalism has been growing steadily in influence and power for the last 50 years and most elites are totally bought into the ideology while they have no conservative principles to counter balance their views.  The reality is that embracing liberalism and labelling conservatives as being backwards and behind the times has worked really well for the western elites for the last 50 years.   The concept of creating a utopia by forcing everyone to be equal and opposing anything white, Christian or traditional has given the elites some very simple answers to life and this simplicity is alluring and fulfilling.  The problem is that, like all fanatical ideologies, liberal ideology will inevitably fail because the world is not an ideal place.

Liberal ideology worked well over the past 50 years because this was a time when there was legitimately unjust racism towards ethnic minorities and placing restrictions on the white, traditional majorities really did serve to bring about more equality and limit some actual injustices.  The scales are finally tilting now in countries like Sweden where the majority of the injustices in these countries can no longer be attributed to actions of the white majority.  Like all ideologies, however, liberalism is inflexible and its solution will always be to try to bring about additional equality by placing further restrictions on white, Christian, "traditional" majorities.  The problem is that restricting whites now is actually making the problem worse and this is why we are seeing the media cover-up any criminal activities committed by immigrants while many white white victims are being outright ignored.  The victims are actually being attacked now by the elites, while the criminals are being protected.

Most people don't realize it, but what we're seeing in Sweden could actually be the beginning of the end of the entire western liberal ideology that will one day come to all of the western world.  You can't take pieces of an ideology and reject others... it's an all or nothing proposition.  The elites have oriented themselves towards a belief that a perfect world can exist if they try to make everone equal by opposing anything white or traditional and that belief doesn't allow for exceptions.  This is why the Swedish elites cannot back down on their support for immigrants even though it is incredibly unpopular.  If they have to forefeit on this one issue then their entire ideology becomes an imperfect proposition: women's equality, abortion, homosexuality, and sate secularism which have their roots from the same ideology all become vulnerable.  30 years from now, the west could look very similar to Russia today which is a country that is rapidly abandoning Soviet-era athiesm and is returning to Christian principles. 

Liberalism does not mean what americans think it means.

And christians have been a minority in Sweden for a very long time.



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Swedes really think that Islamic immigrants share their view on gay marriage, trans rights, gay pride parades?
Name one Islamic majority country which allows gay marriage? Youll find it far easier naming ones with the death penalty for homosexuality.Good luck with the whole integration thing.



FragilE^ said:
KungKras said:

It's a bit more complicated than that. As I said, in the Swedish conciousness, the rise of SD is seen as one of our biggest national embarrassments ever and everyone but them are steaming furious. You would have to live here to understand how angry people are at them. So parties will do everything possible in order to distance themselves from holding even remotely similar views. The government can't put politicians on probation, that's up to the individual parties. At least I think that is how it works, I mean the whole of SD would have been put on probation for not being "politically correct" if the government had that kind of power.

Our government is one of the least corrupt ones in the entire world. I would be very surprised if there was some kind of conspiracy to shut down dialogue. I think the hate of SD has sort of polarized the debate and led to people being constantly on their guard for everything resembling a pro-SD sentiment. And I think it's the best we can do against them. Show them that no matter their numbers, they will never be considered  a legitimate party by the rest of the country.

Third largest party, possibly even larger. Well Fuck what the people want, fuck democracy and fuck free thought.

Just do like Korea, have only one possible candidate. With that system, we won't have the "risk" of people voting on the "wrong" party. Everyone wins! Right?

SD are the largest party now in the latest polls.

Good to see a party focus on real issues rather than trying to ban urinals...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/13/sweden-left-party-toilet-stand_n_1590572.html

 



KungKras said:

Liberalism does not mean what americans think it means.

And christians have been a minority in Sweden for a very long time.

Your valiant efforts to bring some semblance of balance and sense to this thread are, I'm afraid, all in vain.  I have found this discussion profoundly depressing.



MichaelH said:
KungKras said:

Liberalism does not mean what americans think it means.

And christians have been a minority in Sweden for a very long time.

Your valiant efforts to bring some semblance of balance and sense to this thread are, I'm afraid, all in vain.  I have found this discussion profoundly depressing.

I'll keep trying though. It would be even sadder to see the thread become a complete echo-chamber for people like the OP.
I keep seeing my country, one of the least corrupt, most equal, and most free counties in the world get smeared online because some people just can't handle ideologies other than theirs being successful, and it's incredibly annoying.



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