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Immigration in and of itself is not a problem if done right. That means proper screening of people.
In terms of integration this is where a huge problem exists and especially among nations that employ a policy of multiculturalism. It is not unreasonable to expect from migrants to accept the host culture as long as they are not restricted in terms of their rights of religion.

The logical policy that should be undertaken can simply be categorised as when in Rome do as the Romans. With regards to Sweden and other European countries, it is clear that the far left policies are failing and failing spectacularly. The majority of the world is watching in amazement as Sweden and others engage in cultural suicide under the guise of 'cultural enrichment'.

While I hope the situation can be remedied it looks as though the only thing that will snap those nations out of their progressive programming is major social upheaval which appears imminent.



 

 

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barneystinson69 said:

So what your saying just proved my point. The majority of these people are just economical migrants who don't need to be there. And why is your country essentially allowing the floodgate's open when they can't support so many people! Are your politicans clueless?

And as for those no go zone's: http://fof.se/tidning/2015/5/artikel/darfor-okar-de-kriminella-gangens-makt

Its a swedish source, so it can be more compelling....

As for rape, well of course most of it comes from white people! What is your country, black? Its still mostly white (for now), did you expect a race with that makes up a small percentage to be more? Please! And even so, immigrant's are 5.5 times more likely to be charged with rape! 

Because when a person comes and seek asylum, you hardly ever know what country the person is from. It takes time to correctly asses a persons origin, especially if they won´t talk much and have a high degree of suspicion towards authority (which is quite common when coming form totalitarian regimes). The thing is, that we as a country has an obligation to take responsibility towards people in crisis. The problem is, that most other countries in the EU don´t take their responsibility and therefore much more of the burden lands on Sweden and Germany.

But these aren´t "no-go" zones, but places with a high degree of organized crime (mobs from eastern europe, gangs from northern africa, biker gangs and local mobs). They come from all over the world and some are organized even from outside the country. But people live here, the police do have a prescence but there is real problems with crime. It has nothing to do with refugees though.

Exactly, and in that immigrant group we also find people from eastern europe to be more likely than swedes to commit rape, aswell as people from parts of africa, south america and other places. It would be like when feminists claim that men are by definition bad and we need to limit mens influence in society because, by far, most rapes are commited by men. It is a simplified way of demonizing a group of people when in reality the question is far more complicated. But I assume that you also think men are a huge problem in society since the vast majority of rapes are commited by men?



Puppyroach said:
barneystinson69 said:

So what your saying just proved my point. The majority of these people are just economical migrants who don't need to be there. And why is your country essentially allowing the floodgate's open when they can't support so many people! Are your politicans clueless?

And as for those no go zone's: http://fof.se/tidning/2015/5/artikel/darfor-okar-de-kriminella-gangens-makt

Its a swedish source, so it can be more compelling....

As for rape, well of course most of it comes from white people! What is your country, black? Its still mostly white (for now), did you expect a race with that makes up a small percentage to be more? Please! And even so, immigrant's are 5.5 times more likely to be charged with rape! 

Because when a person comes and seek asylum, you hardly ever know what country the person is from. It takes time to correctly asses a persons origin, especially if they won´t talk much and have a high degree of suspicion towards authority (which is quite common when coming form totalitarian regimes). The thing is, that we as a country has an obligation to take responsibility towards people in crisis. The problem is, that most other countries in the EU don´t take their responsibility and therefore much more of the burden lands on Sweden and Germany.

But these aren´t "no-go" zones, but places with a high degree of organized crime (mobs from eastern europe, gangs from northern africa, biker gangs and local mobs). They come from all over the world and some are organized even from outside the country. But people live here, the police do have a prescence but there is real problems with crime. It has nothing to do with refugees though.

Exactly, and in that immigrant group we also find people from eastern europe to be more likely than swedes to commit rape, aswell as people from parts of africa, south america and other places. It would be like when feminists claim that men are by definition bad and we need to limit mens influence in society because, by far, most rapes are commited by men. It is a simplified way of demonizing a group of people when in reality the question is far more complicated. But I assume that you also think men are a huge problem in society since the vast majority of rapes are commited by men?

 

Now your making assumtions and twisting my words. And no, there are no go zones. 55 actually: http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/02/swedish-police-release-extensive-report-detailing-control-of-55-no-go-zones-by-muslim-criminal-gangs/

 

Anyway I have to go to bed. If you reply, I'll respond tomorrow.



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You realise Africa is a continent right? So you're tell me theres no one of worth on an entire continent?... 

No, I thought Africa was a city in Siberia, thanks for enlightening me. I never said there's no one of worth there, don't take it personally just because you come from there, you very well know how uncivilized are some parts of africa were for example mass rape is a part of daily life.



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The problem lies with far left ideology.Cultural Marxism and self loathing are central to their thinking.They also love big government, socialism and the nanny state.

Sweden will collapse both economically and socially within the next few years.The path they are on is completely unsustainable - theyve even got negative interest rates now so don't try tell me things are "normal" over there.

From how i see it i cannot see Sweden becoming an Islamic nation/majority.When they collapse the vast majority will die, the rest will become refugees.Very few people will live in Sweden in 10 years, maybe as few as 50,000.It is a very harsh climate, especially when the people are so naive about reality and so soft.Countries with good climates are the ones most at risk of Islam - France, Spain,Italy,Greece.Where is the king of Poland when you need him?



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Ok so i just read the quote from the Swede who said about the 80,000 deportations that the PM wants to do.You realise many countries have refused to take these people back? Pakistan being one.What would you do about this?



Nettles said:
The problem lies with far left ideology.Cultural Marxism and self loathing are central to their thinking.They also love big government, socialism and the nanny state.

Sweden will collapse both economically and socially within the next few years.The path they are on is completely unsustainable - theyve even got negative interest rates now so don't try tell me things are "normal" over there.

From how i see it i cannot see Sweden becoming an Islamic nation/majority.When they collapse the vast majority will die, the rest will become refugees.Very few people will live in Sweden in 10 years, maybe as few as 50,000.It is a very harsh climate, especially when the people are so naive about reality and so soft.Countries with good climates are the ones most at risk of Islam - France, Spain,Italy,Greece.Where is the king of Poland when you need him?

It´s the same rethoric that we have heard from other countries since 1960, yet Sweden continues to grow economically and outperforms many nations with far more restrictive immigrations policies. And the last segment made me laugh, you really have no clue about Sweden, do you? :).



barneystinson69 said:

Now your making assumtions and twisting my words. And no, there are no go zones. 55 actually: http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/02/swedish-police-release-extensive-report-detailing-control-of-55-no-go-zones-by-muslim-criminal-gangs/

Anyway I have to go to bed. If you reply, I'll respond tomorrow.

The "no-go" zones is a made up term, the police in Sweden don´t use it, so we can just lay that to rest.

And I was mostly asking. If your argument is that we should be restrictive with immigration because some people from, for example, north african countries are overreresented when it comes to rape; would you make the same argument that we should be restrictive of men as a whole because men are overrepresentative when it comes to rape?





Puppyroach said:
Nettles said:
The problem lies with far left ideology.Cultural Marxism and self loathing are central to their thinking.They also love big government, socialism and the nanny state.

Sweden will collapse both economically and socially within the next few years.The path they are on is completely unsustainable - theyve even got negative interest rates now so don't try tell me things are "normal" over there.

From how i see it i cannot see Sweden becoming an Islamic nation/majority.When they collapse the vast majority will die, the rest will become refugees.Very few people will live in Sweden in 10 years, maybe as few as 50,000.It is a very harsh climate, especially when the people are so naive about reality and so soft.Countries with good climates are the ones most at risk of Islam - France, Spain,Italy,Greece.Where is the king of Poland when you need him?

It´s the same rethoric that we have heard from other countries since 1960, yet Sweden continues to grow economically and outperforms many nations with far more restrictive immigrations policies. And the last segment made me laugh, you really have no clue about Sweden, do you? :).

 

No clue? I ask again, if Swedens economy is so great then why do they have negative interest rates?

Ive been posting on other economics based forums for over a decade so i knew previously that Sweden also has a housing bubble and sky high personal debt levels.HSBC even reported a month ago that Swedens housing bubble was unsustainable, see for yourself : http://www.businessinsider.com.au/hsbc-sweden-housing-bubble-not-sustainable-2016-1?r=UK&IR=T

 

I live in Australia, we have the same housing bubble and high personal debt load issues as Sweden but i don't run around kidding myself that the economy is in great shape, it is deteriorating here.Still, our interest rates are at 2.00% so we have room.What are you guys going to do when things get worse, drop rates even further into negative territory? You might as well hold cash, then you can avoid the negative rates.You still have cash right? I heard some banks have stopped stocking banknotes and they are tearing out ATMs all over the place.It ain't good dude.

 

 



Puppyroach said:
barneystinson69 said:

Now your making assumtions and twisting my words. And no, there are no go zones. 55 actually: http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/02/swedish-police-release-extensive-report-detailing-control-of-55-no-go-zones-by-muslim-criminal-gangs/

Anyway I have to go to bed. If you reply, I'll respond tomorrow.

The "no-go" zones is a made up term, the police in Sweden don´t use it, so we can just lay that to rest.

And I was mostly asking. If your argument is that we should be restrictive with immigration because some people from, for example, north african countries are overreresented when it comes to rape; would you make the same argument that we should be restrictive of men as a whole because men are overrepresentative when it comes to rape?



 

Wow, so this is what you've got? Yes, your country should restrict immigration. No, not all men are like this, only immigrant men. 5.5 times more likely pal...Don't try to twist words when I already stated this. And nettles does make a good point, your country does have negative interest rate's. And he's right about the hosuing bubble to! Do you care about this? Will all those immigrants solve the problem by providing cheap labour? Your future generations will pay for your ignorance. Sweden is doomed! With its government that is so politically correct, no wonder your facing catastrophy! Good luck!



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