Perhaps, and I hope this is true.  But I also have to bring up that I think it is pathetic that some people (Including a couple of friends of mine) say that they aren't atheists because that would be too depressing.

There is so much more to life than clinging to a belief that it never ends.  To be clear I am not an atheist, but I do not need religion to tell me life has meaning and is worth living.

Please don't bring up this BS argument that these people didn't exist.  There is more evidence Jesus existed than Alexander the Great.  HOWEVER that is an entirely separate argument from if God exists.

Just because they mentioned the "same" god doesn't prove anything.

Please don't bring up this BS argument that these people didn't exist.  There is more evidence Jesus existed than Alexander the Great.  HOWEVER that is an entirely separate argument from if God exists.

Just because they mentioned the "same" god doesn't prove anything.

Nothing of what you said goes against what I did. Religious groups didn't come up with those theories, science and scientists did. By its nature, the way religion tries to explain things is through faith, which when you boil it down to religious texts is essentially unverifiable stories written by human beings (aka heresay). I'm not putting it down so much as stating a simple fact. Religion serves different purposes to different people, but if someone is going to use it to explain the world contrary to the actual evidence then they shouldn't be surprised when someone questions that.

That said, at no point did I say all religious people think science is wrong (and some of the greatest scientific and engineering ideas have come from theists), but there are a minority that put faith above robust scientific theory which at times can be dangerous (as I pointed out). For those people, the scientific method as a self-improving system is always going to be more accurate than their faith.

I am in no way not an athiest because it would be depressing. I'm an agnostic because 3000 years ago we KNEW the Earth was flat. 2000 years ago we KNEW the sun was drawn by a chariot. 1000 years ago we KNEW that if we did not obey our lords, we would be punished in the afterlife. And now we "know" that there is nothing going on in our brains whenever we die.

Just because we don't detect it right now doesn't mean it isn't happening. But that sure as hell isn't reason to put all your eggs in that basket. Agnosticism.

Proof jesus exist  or not !

1) Bible

For me bible is just a books writed per men and got falcified many time and was make/keep more power/influence

2) 3 Roman writer :  pline the young (112AC) historian Tacite (AC 115) and historian Suetone (119AC)

All is born long after jesus life, so all not meet him and could just be legend like.

3) Jewish writer : Falvius josèphe (60AC) 

All original books got burned in jewish war etc and the only sentence about jesus is from the rewrite from eusebe de cesaree who was know for work for church and have falcifiy the sentence its the first one who have ever writed about jesus, not flavius josephe inself.
 

There is no funerary inscription, parchment, scroll, sculpture, or anything found at this day from acheological stand point.

Tell me if you have anything to add, but for someone who have done many miracle why all these historian  : Valerius Maximus (-14 à 37) , Senèque (-2 à 66), Pline l'ancien (23 à 79), Perce (34 à 62), Lucain (39 à 65), Dion Chrysostone (40 à 117), Stace (40 à 96), Plutarque (45 à 125), Silius Italicius (25 à 100), Martial (65 à 95), Flaccus (70 à 100), Pétrone (mort en 65), Quintillien (65 à 97), Juvénal (55 à 140), Apulée (mort vers 170), Don Cassuis, Pausanias, Juste de Tibériade etc.... Not writed a single word on him ?

Even Philon d'alexandria who was having 25-30 when jesus have born never have hear of jesus... and him was a specialist on the religion & politics !!!


Sorry for my english, some name is in french not know if they translated or not.

Exactly.  This video perfectly sums up my view:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzSMC5rWvos

However I have to add that you shouldn't assume people believed the way ppopular culture assumes they did.  For instance they didn't really believe the world was flat, and I gauruntee a lot of people (Maybe most) back then didn't REALLY think a chariot pulled the sun.  But that is an entirely different topic.

Philosophers didn't, no. But most people did, just like most people still hold a religious belief today.

And I dunno, you'd have to be fairly hardcore to make THAT many statues of dieties you don't believe in. Or the temples.

I mean, the Colossus of Rhodes, man.

Ehhh I don't have the time to do the proper research, but I have read many things in my International Studies minor that points to none of that being true.  It is just modern people choosing to believe that passed peoples were dumb.

Dumb and ignorant are two different things.

And I know during the end of the dark ages and throughout the renaissance that only the dumbest of the dumb thought the earth was flat. But Ancient Greece? Flat Earth was part of their religion, man. And like I said, you don't devote that much time and architecture to things you don't believe.