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Well, is it objectively verifiable?

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Snoopy said:
I find it more believable that something created this world to be honest then by luck everything happened in a specific order of random occurrences to create this world. Seriously, look at what scientists believe (which always changes) and see how crazy it is that all these things happen in a specific order to create us. The odds of this to be correct has to be in the same realm as winning the lottery over and over.

 


Well, scientists not 'always change their believes', they prove or disprove theories, improve and combine those theories. Like searching the link between quantum mechanics and the theory of relativity.

 

And that 'it's more believable' or basically way more easy is basically it. Religion is basically the universal solution for problems and questions you either just have no explanation for or just don't like the other explanations.

Like:

'What happens when i'm dead? '

'Nothin...'

'Oh, that sucks. I want my existence to keep on in a shiny nice warm place where everyone i already miss is'

Thats it. A nice warm thought. To not being egoistic you might use the excuse that someone else that died now is at a better place, let's call it heaven, because you get the option to join him.

Ad some decent society rules to that recipe like don't  ya dare to kill someone, insert a nice excuse like except he/she is a reeeeeaaaally bad person and everythings fine.

Not getting to that damn afterlife might be a more or less good reason for some people not to do the bad things. If that's not bad enough we put some torture porn on the menu: You'll be on the BBQ alive, without actually dying or getting inconscious or, actually eternal pain.

Now we're getting a little mad:
Ain't believe me? BBQ.

Different believes? Ok, live BBQ and than afterlive BBQ...

 

It gives us a nice, warm feeling that everything happened by intent. Like oh that terrible car accident must've been higher intent because of 'insert random stupid reason' or she was such a lovely girl god wanted her to be with him. Latter one sounds way better than she did of leukemia because of DNA mutations, so no higher intent.


Well, think about that: World releigions could actually totally different then they are today. Of the global player religions three are abrahamitic. The religious landscape could look totally different if some points in history had played out differently. Yep, i know, someone now will 150% for sure explain that exactly that happened because that guy is actually the god.

Well, if things had played out different, would that god actually exist at all?

 

We are probably the only species on this planet that plans in longer terms and thinks about it's own existence. so we like to have explanations. Like how was the world created. Preferably explanations we understand. A concept of god is actually easier to understand and nicer than what actually happened with the big bang or quantum mechanics.

And yes, you'll probably use it to explain what hopefully will happen when you're dead (cause you basically just don't want to be nonexistant) and all those other things.

Does anything prove gods existence? Nope. Actuelly not, at least not in a scientific or even objective way.



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if so, the word faith would have no meaning.



We were created by God.we are in a system created by him.we can't see our hear him the same way mario has know real knowledge of miyamoto. Or gta characters of the rock star creators.it would disrupt free will to have god directly interacting in our universe.



MS10 said:
We were created by God.we are in a system created by him.we can't see our hear him the same way mario has know real knowledge of miyamoto. Or gta characters of the rock star creators.it would disrupt free will to have god directly interacting in our universe.

 

Mario and other playable video game characters have no freewill to speak of. They are just puppets we take control of to interact with fake worlds made out of code.

Didn't God directly interact with our universe LOADS of times in the Bible?



Ljink96 said:
RadiantDanceMachine said:

Ugh, why do people propagate this nonsense? Please stop taking everything your religious friends tell you as gospel truth. There has been no ark found, this is not even debatable. It's yet another Ron Wyatt fraud.

http://www.snopes.com/religion/noahsark.asp

Even Answers in Genesis website tells you to stop spreading this bullshit:

https://answersingenesis.org/blogs/ken-ham/2013/12/19/has-noahs-ark-been-found/

 



Even if these non-viable sources are right, you ignore the hard hitting points I mentioned about the Roman Empire and Jesus. This stuff is documented. Jesus wasn't fake. His miracles were documented. Speaking in tongues, it's real. It's the sign of the holy spirit living within you. You think millions of people just act like they all can speak a different tongue all of a sudden?

I've witnessed a friend, who I've never even thought would be demonic, have a spirit cast out of her body and when the pastor asked the demon what its name was, it spoke through her and said "Legion". I was scared as hell that day.

There was a recorded happening in which a teenager was hit by a vehicle and pronounced dead on the scene. His brain was on the freaking street. He was taken to the morgue where his mother, with prayer and power, called him back and sure enough he woke up and told his mother that he was sorry. The doctors and nurses ran out the room, in disbelief in what they saw.

I was born with a defect in which I could not urinate. It was destroying my body. The doctors had no idea what to do, all the treatments failed. But my mother told me that one night, she had been crying about my situation and was praying that a miracle would come my way and that night, she said a figure sat down on her bed and told her that I would have a wet diaper in the morning. Sure enough, she woke up and I no longer had the complication.

When my brother was born, the doctors said he wouldn't live to see a year of age. My parents were distraught but they called a good friend of theirs to pray for him. When the friend arrived, all of the newborn babies that were crying at the hospital...just stopped when he walked in. Every single one of them. He prayed for my brother and the complication resolved shortly there after. 

You can't tell me that God isn't real. There are things that not even science can prove.



Okay so you will stop spreading this bullshit about an ark now?

I believe Jesus was as real as Socrates. As to his miracles, however, this is not historical because history is confined to what is physically possible. That's why the resurrection cannot be said to be historical because it's physically impossible.

You're referring to Glossolalia - it's gibberish...they firmly believe they are speaking a language because they want desperately to be chosen by god.

http://skepdic.com/glossol.html

There was a recorded happening in which a teenager was hit by a vehicle and pronounced dead on the scene. His brain was on the freaking street. He was taken to the morgue where his mother, with prayer and power, called him back and sure enough he woke up and told his mother that he was sorry. The doctors and nurses ran out the room, in disbelief in what they saw.

Never happened, likely an email chain. You religious people really love spreading these stories.

I was born with a defect in which I could not urinate. It was destroying my body. The doctors had no idea what to do, all the treatments failed.

Clearly not true since the problem was resolved...

Don't believe the rest, sorry. This is bullshit your mother told you about. You have no credibility in this regard. 



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RadiantDanceMachine said:

I believe Jesus was as real as Socrates.

Faith is unreasonable.



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RadiantDanceMachine said:
Ljink96 said:
RadiantDanceMachine said:

Ugh, why do people propagate this nonsense? Please stop taking everything your religious friends tell you as gospel truth. There has been no ark found, this is not even debatable. It's yet another Ron Wyatt fraud.

http://www.snopes.com/religion/noahsark.asp

Even Answers in Genesis website tells you to stop spreading this bullshit:

https://answersingenesis.org/blogs/ken-ham/2013/12/19/has-noahs-ark-been-found/

 



Even if these non-viable sources are right, you ignore the hard hitting points I mentioned about the Roman Empire and Jesus. This stuff is documented. Jesus wasn't fake. His miracles were documented. Speaking in tongues, it's real. It's the sign of the holy spirit living within you. You think millions of people just act like they all can speak a different tongue all of a sudden?

I've witnessed a friend, who I've never even thought would be demonic, have a spirit cast out of her body and when the pastor asked the demon what its name was, it spoke through her and said "Legion". I was scared as hell that day.

There was a recorded happening in which a teenager was hit by a vehicle and pronounced dead on the scene. His brain was on the freaking street. He was taken to the morgue where his mother, with prayer and power, called him back and sure enough he woke up and told his mother that he was sorry. The doctors and nurses ran out the room, in disbelief in what they saw.

I was born with a defect in which I could not urinate. It was destroying my body. The doctors had no idea what to do, all the treatments failed. But my mother told me that one night, she had been crying about my situation and was praying that a miracle would come my way and that night, she said a figure sat down on her bed and told her that I would have a wet diaper in the morning. Sure enough, she woke up and I no longer had the complication.

When my brother was born, the doctors said he wouldn't live to see a year of age. My parents were distraught but they called a good friend of theirs to pray for him. When the friend arrived, all of the newborn babies that were crying at the hospital...just stopped when he walked in. Every single one of them. He prayed for my brother and the complication resolved shortly there after. 

You can't tell me that God isn't real. There are things that not even science can prove.



Okay so you will stop spreading this bullshit about an ark now?

I believe Jesus was as real as Socrates. As to his miracles, however, this is not historical because history is confined to what is physically possible. That's why the resurrection cannot be said to be historical because it's physically impossible.

You're referring to Glossolalia - it's gibberish...they firmly believe they are speaking a language because they want desperately to be chosen by god.

http://skepdic.com/glossol.html

There was a recorded happening in which a teenager was hit by a vehicle and pronounced dead on the scene. His brain was on the freaking street. He was taken to the morgue where his mother, with prayer and power, called him back and sure enough he woke up and told his mother that he was sorry. The doctors and nurses ran out the room, in disbelief in what they saw.

Never happened, likely an email chain. You religious people really love spreading these stories.

I was born with a defect in which I could not urinate. It was destroying my body. The doctors had no idea what to do, all the treatments failed.

Clearly not true since the problem was resolved...

Don't believe the rest, sorry. This is bullshit your mother told you about. You have no credibility in this regard. 

Wow, you're sad man. Going as far to insult my family is too far gone. I see you're an atheist. It's no use reasonating with you so how about you leave me be okay? You believe what you want and I will believe what I want. I have nothing to lose if there by some chance isn't a God. The same can't be said for you.  If you want a text version of speaking in tongues, the term would be xenoglossi. Look it up. You have no right to insult what I have seen as truth just because you don't believe it. If I say that I just unscrewd a lightbulb, does that mean it's not truthful even if I did? It's not truth because it isn't recorded and written on some forum or website? Man listen to yourself... you have no faith so I can't expect you to see supernaturally. It's basically like talking to a bird right now. You hear me but you don't understand what I'm saying. Bye. 





RolStoppable said:
RadiantDanceMachine said:

I believe Jesus was as real as Socrates.

Faith is unreasonable.

These beliefs are formed from historical records...the opposite of faith. 

Ljink96 said:
RadiantDanceMachine said:

Okay so you will stop spreading this bullshit about an ark now?

I believe Jesus was as real as Socrates. As to his miracles, however, this is not historical because history is confined to what is physically possible. That's why the resurrection cannot be said to be historical because it's physically impossible.

You're referring to Glossolalia - it's gibberish...they firmly believe they are speaking a language because they want desperately to be chosen by god.

http://skepdic.com/glossol.html

There was a recorded happening in which a teenager was hit by a vehicle and pronounced dead on the scene. His brain was on the freaking street. He was taken to the morgue where his mother, with prayer and power, called him back and sure enough he woke up and told his mother that he was sorry. The doctors and nurses ran out the room, in disbelief in what they saw.

Never happened, likely an email chain. You religious people really love spreading these stories.

I was born with a defect in which I could not urinate. It was destroying my body. The doctors had no idea what to do, all the treatments failed.

Clearly not true since the problem was resolved...

Don't believe the rest, sorry. This is bullshit your mother told you about. You have no credibility in this regard. 

Wow, you're sad man. Going as far to insult my family is too far gone. I see you're an atheist. It's no use reasonating with you so how about you leave me be okay? You believe what you want and I will believe what I want. I have nothing to lose if there by some chance isn't a God. The same can't be said for you.  If you want a text version of speaking in tongues, the term would be xenoglossi. Look it up. You have no right to insult what I have seen as truth just because you don't believe it. If I say that I just unscrewd a lightbulb, does that mean it's not truthful even if I did? It's not truth because it isn't recorded and written on some forum or website? Man listen to yourself... you have no faith so I can't expect you to see supernaturally. It's basically like talking to a bird right now. You hear me but you don't understand what I'm saying. Bye. 



What you're saying has been addressed and debunked. The rest is called anecdotal fallacy...

At what point did I insult your family? 

Faith is illogical, so correct I don't operate on faith. I operate on evidence.



Ljink96 said:
asqarkabab said:
Mr.Playstation said:

Moses- Existed
Jesus- Existed
Abraham -Existed

They all talked about the same god and there was a period of 2000 years between Abraham and Jesus.

how you know that moses and abraham existed ??

jesus is another case

like Muhammad and all other prophets 

God exists because the world was not created automaticely

Well, we at least know Noah existed because they found the ark a while back. It had the exact same dimensions as described in the Bible. And I guess, if those people don't exist then the Roman empire didn't exist too? You can freaking visit Jesus's tomb. There has been water found in which one group of h20 is hydrophobic of another, hinting at water that was split by Moses.



 

No the Roman Empire existed and there are many things supporting it 

Which Jesus tomb you mean 

I know three tombs one in jerusalem one in srinagar and one in japan 

And that water split where is the source ?

Its like the story that muhammad split the moon 

I heard from the ark been on the mount ararat but dont know if its true 

I heard many years ago that pseudo scientists found jesus blood on golgatha and that it had 23x or something and the hidden place of the ark of convenant that was bullshit 

And about noah that his grave is in naxcivan 

Moses grave is unknown and there is a theory thats in bandipur in kashmir



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