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Zkuq on 28 January 2016
VGPolyglot said:
My biggest problem is that people believe in things without proof. When I question people why they believe in God or their religion based on their faith alone and without any proof, their reaction is generally "prove that he doesn't exist/that it's not true." That's not how it works: are supposed to believe in Santa Claus, Leprechauns and the Lochness Monster exist until it's proven that they don't?

There's less room for the existence of your counter-examples because they obey the laws of nature. This supposed God does not, which leaves them much more space to hide in. As much as I'd like to agree with this argument, I'm not sure I can. Now let's talk about how convenient it is that the laws of nature don't apply to God, leaving them so much space to hide in...



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CosmicSex on 28 January 2016
Azuren said:

 

Amazing response. Standing ovation. 



VGPolyglot on 28 January 2016
Zkuq said:
VGPolyglot said:
My biggest problem is that people believe in things without proof. When I question people why they believe in God or their religion based on their faith alone and without any proof, their reaction is generally "prove that he doesn't exist/that it's not true." That's not how it works: are supposed to believe in Santa Claus, Leprechauns and the Lochness Monster exist until it's proven that they don't?

There's less room for the existence of your counter-examples because they obey the laws of nature. This supposed God does not, which leaves them much more space to hide in. As much as I'd like to agree with this argument, I'm not sure I can. Now let's talk about how convenient it is that the laws of nature don't apply to God, leaving them so much space to hide in...

Isn't going against the laws of nature the biggest argument against the existence of God? I believe that there are two core reasons why people believe in God:

  1. People do not like not knowing something: for many people it is hard to simply accept that there are things that we do not know
  2. People are afraid of death/hardships and rely on the idea of God and the afterlife as a coping method
Whether or not people agree with on this, I don't know.





Ganoncrotch on 28 January 2016
VGPolyglot said:
My biggest problem is that people believe in things without proof. When I question people why they believe in God or their religion based on their faith alone and without any proof, their reaction is generally "prove that he doesn't exist/that it's not true." That's not how it works: are supposed to believe in Santa Claus, Leprechauns and the Lochness Monster exist until it's proven that they don't?

The Easiest way to think of it is that Santa and Jesus are just basically the same character, main plot points based around Christmas time only with a different target audience, Santa there to explain gift giving and give a reason for children to be good so they'll have something to look forwards to during the following year (new toys) Jesus there to comfort older people and give a reason for grown ups to be good so they'll have something to look forwards to if they don't survive the cold winter... (heaven)

At least if Kids are bad they just get coal tho... generally in an unignited form, grown ups get the same gift... BURNING ETERNALLY INTO THEIR ROTTING SOUL IN HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL





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StarOcean on 28 January 2016

I see right through your plan, Rol. You made this thread knowing that political/religious threads cause the most bans out of all the other thread types. To minimize the competition between mod candidates you made a controversal thread to eliminate potential competition and increase the odds of you winning modship



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aLkaLiNE on 28 January 2016

So what you're inferring is that the world would be a better place if none of us believed in God? You think that all of the wars would go away? All the crime would magically stop? Everybody would finally get along and we could live in unity under one governmental direction?

As far as holding back science goes, science is nearly as much of a dive as religion is considering no one actually understands how gravity works and even our theories/laws have holes in them. All that really means is that everything we have found so far is not without exception and not absolute.

Personally I don't subscribe to a religion. I do consider myself agnostic though, based on the premise that there is something extraordinary about human anatomy and the missing link we're looking for will question our very existence. We just Do. Not. Know. And I really wish that people who support gay rights or modern era things like that would see the equality in also supporting people that choose to believe in a religion.



KingofTrolls on 28 January 2016
RolStoppable said:

1.I thought that I should try something new, so here's my first attempt at a thread in Politics Discussion. 

2.Many wars were fought because of religion. People tried to force other peoples to convert to their belief, otherwise they would kill them.

The Roman Empire used to go after Christians (the Roman beliefs were derived from the Greek, so their religion was one that had many different gods), but at some point one of their Emporers decided that Christianity is the right belief,

 

1. U welcome. I think it's better than average " PS4 is better " thread.

2. I disagree. Religion was only a  one excuse in the sea of excuses to do so, nothing more. The real goals/targets are always the same - money, resources, strategic land. Also, the number of " religion " wars is just a fraction in the total count ( most of them are the wars between one religion believers ) ,and they are no different in form and shape. Example - Crusaders -  they were mostly Frenchs and Germans, and they tried to save weak Bizantine Emperor to keep Arabs out of  the Europe soil. Nothing more. The religion was used just like a propaganda during Nazi time.

3. but at some point one of their Emporers decided that Christianity is the right belief ... - it was Flavius Theodosius Augustus  who did this, why he did this ? the christians were majority at the time in the Roman Empire and the number increasing, and the tradidion believers were in minority, decreasing. Mathematics. Just like nowadays - the number of christian down, others - up.  In some 20 30 years the world religion map will be very, very different from today. Will the fall of christiany make the world a better place ? I dont think so. Dont forget, the core of West civ is dem and christianity.



pearljammer on 28 January 2016

aLkaLiNE said:
So what you're inferring is that the world would be a better place if none of us believed in God? You think that all of the wars would go away? All the crime would magically stop? Everybody would finally get along and we could live in unity under one governmental direction?

 

  • I can't speak for him, but I don't think anyone would be so arrogant as to claim that. At not point did he take an absolutist stance indicating as such.

 


As far as holding back science goes, science is nearly as much of a dive as religion is considering no one actually understands how gravity works and even our theories/laws have holes in them. All that really means is that everything we have found so far is not without exception and not absolute.

 

  • Admitting that we don't know is the basis of science. It's basically making observations, comparing them, predicting them and then thoroughly testing them. That's all. If they come up false, try again. There is no hubris there. No arrogance. It's the exact opposite, actually. Philosophy is important, certainly but it's not at all comparable in the manner you're doing it.

Personally I don't subscribe to a religion. I do consider myself agnostic though, based on the premise that there is something extraordinary about human anatomy and the missing link we're looking for will question our very existence. We just Do. Not. Know. And I really wish that people who support gay rights or modern era things like that would see the equality in also supporting people that choose to believe in a religion.

 

 

  • I don't think you'll find many atheists or even anti-theists who don't support one's right to believe in a religion.

 


aLkaLiNE on 28 January 2016
RolStoppable said:
aLkaLiNE said:
So what you're inferring is that the world would be a better place if none of us believed in God? You think that all of the wars would go away? All the crime would magically stop? Everybody would finally get along and we could live in unity under one governmental direction?

As far as holding back science goes, science is nearly as much of a dive as religion is considering no one actually understands how gravity works and even our theories/laws have holes in them. All that really means is that everything we have found so far is not without exception and not absolute.

Personally I don't subscribe to a religion. I do consider myself agnostic though, based on the premise that there is something extraordinary about human anatomy and the missing link we're looking for will question our very existence. We just Do. Not. Know. And I really wish that people who support gay rights or modern era things like that would see the equality in also supporting people that choose to believe in a religion.

Answers to your four questions:

1. No. The world would be a better place if not so many people had blindly subscribed to religion. Some still do. Religion can be a powerful tool to direct the masses towards the crazy goals of a single insane human being.
2. No.
3. No.
4. No. Wait, did you actually read my original pobody.

Yeah I did, started going off on a tangent because in a perfect world we wouldn't really need more than one governing body.

Anyway, if we want to see equality then it's kind of a live and let live deal and that should include non tangible aspects such as beliefs and morals, so long as its within the realm of the law.



Azuren on 28 January 2016
CosmicSex said:
Azuren said:

 

Amazing response. Standing ovation. 

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