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Forums - Politics Discussion - Danish teen fought off her attacker - now she'll face fine. A 17-year-old girl who was physically and sexually attacked in Sønderborg will herself face charges for being in possession of Pepper spay,

binary solo said:
Cubedramirez said:
AnthonyW86 said:
I don't see the problem here. She is fined for possession and usage of an illegal weapon, not for defending herself. I'm pretty sure if she asks for some public donations she can easily raise the sum of the fine.

 


The problem is that it is illegal in the first place. Self preservation and having the means to properly do so is a human right. 

This is what the progressives in America want, this type of Utopia. Thank God for the media willing to report items like this so state side we have a chance to stop it. 

Yeah because Denmark has such a high and out of control crime rate and the USA doesn't. Your system is working so damned well.

One of the problems with casual ownership of weapons is that if you are the physically weaker person in an encounter then there's a good chance the weapon will be taken off you and used on you. Basically if you want to be competent in self defence you have to train and prepare. And if you do that you are probably better off training and preparing for unarmed self defence, because that way you are always able to defend yourself even if you are caught naked in the shower.



 

After reading that and having a laugh all I can say is thank God for my life in the US. Your last statement perfectly detailed everything wrong with that line of reasoning. Also your first statement is quite incorrect but the second one took the cake for me. 



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FromDK said:
sc94597 said:
KungKras said:
sc94597 said:

Why exactly is pepper spray illegal in the first place? How many violent crimes are commited with pepper spray in places it is legal? What exactly does the Danish government recommend a woman to do if she is being raped/assaulted and nobody is around?

 

I could just as easily ask you what the US goverment recommends doing if some asshole decides to pepper spray you into blindness because of a personal dispute.

Unlike pepper-spray assaults, rape assaults actually exist at a high enough proportion and have much more devastating effects (mental health issues.) Pepper spray saves more people than it harms by probably an order of magnitude (albeit I haven't looked into actual statistics on this matter.) 



That may be true in your contry.. but not in denmark.. attack.. use in fight.. just mad at some.. would be (are) the fare biggest.. (proberly 99% of the times)

We have very few rapes (0,8 of 100.000) and a pepper spray dont do much if a man comes from behind.. If the girl not have spotet him.. has the spray in the hand.. spraying the right way.. no head vind.. and not in chok.. and even so she sprays directly in the rappist eyes.. he still could hold her down.. hold/hit her until he can see again.. (and mayby more violent/mad) 

That means that mayby 1 or 2 first year will excape a rape by using Pepper spray.

That may sound good.. But think of future rappist who would expect peperspray.. (glasses/ready to close eyes and proberly use more violent)

And remember how it is now..

If some are afraid.. a pepper spray is easy to get.. the attacker dont expect as if they where legal.. and if it is ever used (The change of being assultet is very low) its just a litle fine.. 

A few things, unless it is an in-home/personal family member doing the raping, I doubt the attacker premeditates his rape. Usually it is coupled with something else and very irrational. 

It is the governments role to make sure people are not harming eachother, much more than it is to manage finances. That is the principal reason for government, to prevent aggressive violence among its constituents. 

As for the rape rates in Denmark 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#Denmark

Although only approximately 500 rapes are reported to the Danish police annually, several studies estimate that only a small minority of all rapes are actually reported, and only one in five reported rapes result in a conviction in court.[74][75] For example, according to a 2014 study published by the European Union Agency for Fundamental Rights, Denmark had the highest prevalence rate of physical and sexual violence against women in Europe.[76][77]

The Danish government was harshly criticized for inadequate laws in regard to sexual violence in a 2008 report produced by Amnesty International.[78] The Danish criminal provisions regarding sexual crimes had remained nearly unchanged for 30 years, which lead Amnesty International to declare that "legislation on rape and sexual violence [conflicted] with human rights principles concerning the need to protect an individual's sexual and physical integrity and right to self-determination."[79] The organization repeatedly urged Denmark to bring legislation on rape in line with international law over several years,[80] which lead to an amendment to the sexual offences code in 2013, following a change in government after the 2011 elections.[81][82]

Sexual offences (DanishSeksualforbrydelser) are defined in the Danish Penal Code, Chapter 24, Section 216-236. References in legislation to marriage were removed following the 2013 amendment (previously providing for a reduced sentence or a pardon),[79] and sexual acts performed on victims in a helpless state now also count as rape.[82][83]

In Denmark it was only 1999 that the first rape crisis centre was established.[84]