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Forums - Politics Discussion - Danish teen fought off her attacker - now she'll face fine. A 17-year-old girl who was physically and sexually attacked in Sønderborg will herself face charges for being in possession of Pepper spay,

sc94597 said:
NobleTeam360 said:

Take it and hope the police catch whoever did it. 



And if the attacker decides they don't want a witness? This argument is anti-human, immoral, and really has the net effect of making women and other physically weaker persons scared to leave their homes. Rape isn't rare enough to say, "just take it." 



That was me being sarcastic. Sorry for not clarifying that. 





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sc94597 said:
FromDK said:

sc94597 said:

What exactly does the Danish government recommend a woman to do if she is being raped/assaulted and nobody is around?

First.. The daninsh goverment don't "recommend" any.. thats up the the police/healtsystem who has nothing to do with the goverment.. :)

But I think the recommendation is to sceam for help.. and try to get free.. And if the man is to strong/evil.. "wait" it out and call police after.

The police doesn't have anything do with the government? What? Are not police instituted to enforce laws, like the one which the government made to prohibit the carry of pepper spray? Certainly the government is involved here. Such events are the fruition of goverment policies. 

You said: "what does the government recommend to do in a rape situation"

And I said they do not recommend anything.. its up to the people knowing and working with the thing..

So if you need to know how to be most safe when going to the beach.. badestyrelsen or in english  "bathing center"  make the recommendation.. and in the case of rape.. police and healtsystem.

We ellect 179 persons from 12 different partyes.. They are the "government" in 4 years.. They do not "recommend" anything.. how could they..?

(they mostly work on states finans and make laws about finans)

sc94597 said:

 

The bolded is very disgusting. So much for the Nordic paradise. 

Becourse I used the word "wait" it out..?

Remember i'm danish.. what I mean was wait until she can get free.. do you know that..? Or do you think there should/could be another "recommendation"???

What do you think a girl that is being hold down by a strong/evil rapist should do.?

Cubedramirez said:
My heart bleeds for Europe. Their elite have opened the doors to a culture of barbarism. These cultures cannot coexist and the only silver lining is that in America we will be able to see the horror as it happens and have the opportunity to kick out the same progressive elites who would bring in that same element to harm our women and children.

We have a very low rate of rape.. murder and violent crimes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWjCStB6k4o



sc94597 said:
KungKras said:
sc94597 said:

Why exactly is pepper spray illegal in the first place? How many violent crimes are commited with pepper spray in places it is legal? What exactly does the Danish government recommend a woman to do if she is being raped/assaulted and nobody is around?

 

I could just as easily ask you what the US goverment recommends doing if some asshole decides to pepper spray you into blindness because of a personal dispute.

Unlike pepper-spray assaults, rape assaults actually exist at a high enough proportion and have much more devastating effects (mental health issues.) Pepper spray saves more people than it harms by probably an order of magnitude (albeit I haven't looked into actual statistics on this matter.) 



That could very well be true. I haven't seen any statistics either.





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sc94597 said:
KungKras said:
sc94597 said:

Why exactly is pepper spray illegal in the first place? How many violent crimes are commited with pepper spray in places it is legal? What exactly does the Danish government recommend a woman to do if she is being raped/assaulted and nobody is around?

 

I could just as easily ask you what the US goverment recommends doing if some asshole decides to pepper spray you into blindness because of a personal dispute.

Unlike pepper-spray assaults, rape assaults actually exist at a high enough proportion and have much more devastating effects (mental health issues.) Pepper spray saves more people than it harms by probably an order of magnitude (albeit I haven't looked into actual statistics on this matter.) 



That may be true in your contry.. but not in denmark.. attack.. use in fight.. just mad at some.. would be (are) the fare biggest.. (proberly 99% of the times)

We have very few rapes (0,8 of 100.000) and a pepper spray dont do much if a man comes from behind.. If the girl not have spotet him.. has the spray in the hand.. spraying the right way.. no head vind.. and not in chok.. and even so she sprays directly in the rappist eyes.. he still could hold her down.. hold/hit her until he can see again.. (and mayby more violent/mad) 

That means that mayby 1 or 2 first year will excape a rape by using Pepper spray.

That may sound good.. But think of future rappist who would expect peperspray.. (glasses/ready to close eyes and proberly use more violent)

And remember how it is now..

If some are afraid.. a pepper spray is easy to get.. the attacker dont expect as if they where legal.. and if it is ever used (The change of being assultet is very low) its just a litle fine.. 



If the laws are similar than to those in Germany, she simply had the wrong kind of pepper spray.

The can has to mention that it's to fend off attacking animals.
If it doesn't mention that or even mentions that it can be used against humans, then it's illegal.



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pokoko said:
bouzane said:
pokoko said:

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/18/us/21-die-in-stampede-of-1500-at-chicago-nightclub.html?pagewanted=all



 

Yeah, those deaths would have also occurred if somebody had simply pulled a firealarm (or shouted the word fire) because if you read the article you would have noticed that the club was over double the legal occupancy and several exits had been barred / locked. Sorry but that is a pathetic attempt to justify nanny-state laws that prohibit a defensive tool that could be used to prevent rape (or worse). Sure, pepper spray / mace can be used offensively but so can just about anything I put my hands on. I can use a can of aerosol deodorant and a lighter to quickly and efficiently burn most buildings to the ground for example.

Looks like you want to be an ass for no reason in a simple discussion.  Sorry, but that's a pathetic attempt to justify anything.  Oh, you can kill someone with a cat, so nothing should be illegal, ever, is such an immature way of thinking.  You can die in a crash at 45mph so why even have speed limits?  Obviously, as with anything, it's about risk versus reward.  Also, if you had read my posts, you'd know that I never said it should be illegal, only why it was probably made illegal.  

 

I never implied that you were rallying to make anything illegal, just that your reasoning was pathetic (which it is). If you had read the article you posted, you'd know that it did absolutely nothing to highlight the dangers of pepper spray / mace but instead the conditions at that particular night club.

Maybe we can stop being so defensive, insulting and instead focus our efforts on constructing well thought out posts backed up by facts.

Edit: Your comment about my way of thinking being immature is hilarious coming from you by the way. The examples you list are pathetic and your attempts to misrepresent my stance are childish so stop trying. Pepper spray is an excellent non-lethal weapon and the possibility of it causing serious harm is indeed a terrible reason for it to be illegal, regardless of whether or not you personally believe it should be.



bouzane said:
pokoko said:

Looks like you want to be an ass for no reason in a simple discussion.  Sorry, but that's a pathetic attempt to justify anything.  Oh, you can kill someone with a cat, so nothing should be illegal, ever, is such an immature way of thinking.  You can die in a crash at 45mph so why even have speed limits?  Obviously, as with anything, it's about risk versus reward.  Also, if you had read my posts, you'd know that I never said it should be illegal, only why it was probably made illegal.  

 

I never implied that you were rallying to make anything illegal, just that your reasoning was pathetic (which it is). If you had read the article you posted, you'd know that it did absolutely nothing to highlight the dangers of pepper spray / mace but instead the conditions at that particular night club.

Maybe we can stop being so defensive, insulting and instead focus our efforts on constructing well thought out posts backed up by facts.

You first.  As far as pathetic reasoning, you replied with the silly "deodorant is legal" line of thought, so at the very least it's even.

As for the article, I certainly did read it.  The conditions at the club were a major factor but trying to downplay the effects of pepper spray in a crowded and enclosed space is mind-boggling.  Having been inside a convenience store when pepper spray was discharged, which cleared out the place and left everyone gasping for air, it's easy to imagine how it could turn a large group of trapped and unprepared people into mindless animals.  Trying to discount that makes no sense--that is, unless it doesn't fit with your agenda.

Pepper spray is a weapon, point blank, which means it can be used for offense or defense, used properly or improperly, and anyone treating it lightly is only fooling themselves.





If allowing guns/pepper spray would be so effective why more women get raped in the states :s? I always learned how more defensive the citizen can be how more offensive the criminal/offender will be. The issue that needs to be solved is not 'how can a girl defend herself' but 'how can we stop/change the mentality of people who wants to do a sexcrime'.



That just goes to show if you can't use pepper spray to protect yourself get a gun and shoot in between the eyes. What she should do is buy a pen gun the mother f***** won't even hear it go off.



pokoko said:

You first.  As far as pathetic reasoning, you replied with the silly "deodorant is legal" line of thought, so at the very least it's even.

As for the article, I certainly did read it.  The conditions at the club were a major factor but trying to downplay the effects of pepper spray in a crowded and enclosed space is mind-boggling.  Having been inside a convenience store when pepper spray was discharged, which cleared out the place and left everyone gasping for air, it's easy to imagine how it could turn a large group of trapped and unprepared people into mindless animals.  Trying to discount that makes no sense--that is, unless it doesn't fit with your agenda.

Pepper spray is a weapon, point blank, which means it can be used for offense or defense, used properly or improperly, and anyone treating it lightly is only fooling themselves.



 

If you did read the article you should have realized that it would do very little to bolster your argument. You should have continued to search for more conclusive evidence that pepper spray / mace can be dangerous without involving a scenario which often proves fatal regardless of what triggers the stampede. I don't know how you misinterpreted my response as downplaying the dangers of using mace in a packed club when I highlighted the fact that pretty much any wrong move in double capacity crowd can result in fatalities. The mace merely dispersed the crowd (which I can accomplish in a dozen diferent ways) and it was the size of the crowd coupled with the blocked exits that claimed so many lives.

So go ahead and tell yourself that my logic is no better than yours and that I'm trying to fit the facts to my agenda when the converse it true. Do more to justify your position and I might take you more seriously but as it stands pepper spray / mace is an excellent non-lethal weapon that can certainly prevent rape and other violent crimes if used properly while posing minimal risk if used offensively. Any situation in which I can kill people with mace I can kill more using deodorant and a lighter (I would pose that this would make for a superior means of self defense if the likelihood of an explosion were not present). I personally believe that the powers that be should be more concerned with addressing the underlying societal issues that are causing these crimes to begin with *cough migrant crisis cough* but they are not. Additionally, taking away one's right and ability to defend oneself is unjustifiable as far as I am concerned regardless of the society in which they live.