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slab_of_bacon on 27 January 2016
Luke888 said:
People who want it to release in 2017 seem to not realize that a 2017 release is pointless:
Nintendo needs to outperform SLIGHTLY the competition, in the end, they just started this generation making HD games, they shurely won't start with the NX 2k or even 4k games: The hardware to make a Nintendo console that is more powerful than a PS4, with the same price as a PS4 and to get a good revenue is already out there: PS4 was built with 2012/2013 Hardware, NX will be built with 2015/2016 one...
The stronger power wouldn't affect third party either since most of them either don't know how to make games that look that good because PS4/X1 can't handle them or simply don't support Nintendo...
Waiting for 2017 would make for another major factor: PS4 and X1's install bases would grow A LOT, and I'm shure Nintendo aims to get an NX in the house of those people instead of releasing a new console on a market with a 70M PS4 and a 40/50M X1 ...

 

Developers can handle making games to higher specifications... see PC

I understand why you think this way but that's not how it works.  People buy consoles for the experience... for the games.  I don't really think that there are such things as fanbases because there is no shame in enjoying a game from any system because you're enjoying it.  I wouldn't worry about what Microsoft and Sony do because Nintendo has differentiated itself from them the past decade.  If they put out a product people want and market it better than the Wii U they will be profitable and highly successful.  



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Lonely_Dolphin on 27 January 2016
Raze said:
I only see a November 2017 release on a few simple points:
-Nintendo has never released a home console the same year as its E3 debut
-Nintendo has maintained a 5-6 year gap between home console release dates since the NES, why would it change?

 


You're forgetting the biggest point, to have the best launch + launch window line-up ever. After the Wii U's failure, people are probably gonna take a wait and see approach, which'll hurt NX sales, and then when the people waiting see it also selling poorly, they'll end up never getting it. Only way to counter this is to go all out, firing on all cylinders! If they launch with 3D Mario, Pokemon 7th gen, Animal Crossing, Paper Mario, Pikmin 4, etc., with Mario Kart and Splatoon 2 on the horizon, hell even I might have to buy it day one!



Aielyn on 27 January 2016
curl-6 said:

Just out of sheer curiosity, how would you react if, hypothetically speaking, it does turn out to be a 2016 release?

PerturbedKitty?

bigtakilla?

Gamesmaster?

Also, "that won't happen" is not a valid answer. This topic is NOT about how likely/unlikely it is, just about what your feelings would be in the hypothetical scenario that it does happen.

My reaction would be "Nintendo made a misstep with that decision" (assuming that by "NX coming this year", you mean console, not handheld). And then I'd look at what they had for the system and likely buy it (although I'd probably wait until 2017 to buy it).



Luke888 on 27 January 2016
uran10 said:
Luke888 said:
People who want it to release in 2017 seem to not realize that a 2017 release is pointless:
Nintendo needs to outperform SLIGHTLY the competition, in the end, they just started this generation making HD games, they shurely won't start with the NX 2k or even 4k games: The hardware to make a Nintendo console that is more powerful than a PS4, with the same price as a PS4 and to get a good revenue is already out there: PS4 was built with 2012/2013 Hardware, NX will be built with 2015/2016 one...
The stronger power wouldn't affect third party either since most of them either don't know how to make games that look that good because PS4/X1 can't handle them or simply don't support Nintendo...
Waiting for 2017 would make for another major factor: PS4 and X1's install bases would grow A LOT, and I'm shure Nintendo aims to get an NX in the house of those people instead of releasing a new console on a market with a 70M PS4 and a 40/50M X1 ...

I'm just gonna sit here and go really? That argument doesn't make much sense no matter how you put it, also the word is SURE. The reason a 2017 release makes more sense to me is because of the first party pipeline more than anything else. Anyway I'm not in any camp as it is, if they release in 2016 they better have a line up ready with multiple games per month from first party and I don't think that's possible by the end of the year if its a home console. Droughts killed the Wii U more than anything else and if they decided to launch into a situation that might put them into that position then the next console will fail as well.

Thx, fixed the sure;

Soooo tell me about which Nintendo teams are currently working on 3DS projects, and to extend that, tell me how many have been in the last few months, the last that come to my mind are those who made Happy Home Designer and Triforce Heroes (which both re-used previous engines) and as minor releases Nintendo Badge Arcade and Boxboy! 2 ... The development divisions are now merged, meaning that whatever you would expect to get from 3DS and from Wii U will now be found on the same platform (of course supposing that the NX is the fusion console that everyone pictures it beeing), that is likely to be enough to cancel any major drought. You don't have to think that ALL games need multiple years of development, just look at Splatoon, the game was made in about a year and a half, and the developers had to make it from the scratch since it was a new IP, plus, even if all games were to be playable on both NX consoles, I'm shure that some of them would focus more on one of them so that fans that are used to this formula start embracing the fusion...

 

Raze said:
If it came out this year? I'd expect Nintendo to lose a major chunk of their remaining fanbase. Nobody wants to go out with the desperate girl in the group. In fact, even if it comes out in 2017, I'm going to take a long wait and see approach to the NX, like how I do when a new Windows OS comes out. I really don't like the direction the Wii U went, and if they continue this hybrid handheld/home console, I may just wait and buy one used down the road when another Zelda game comes out.

"major chunk" : The 3DS owners are extremely satisfied by the library of the console and they'll still be getting a few more before NX lands on the market (with some Major releases such as Pokémon Z, FE Fates, Final Fantasy, Bravely Second etc.). For the Wii U I agree that some of the fans might cause some arguments but by the end of this year the Wii U didn't really miss out on a lot of stuff, shure, a lot of IPs aren't there, but there are a lot new ones aswell, the first party output was around 4 or 5 titles under the average from Nintendo consoles by the end of last year iirc and that will be fixed when Zelda U, Pokkén, TPHD, Star Fox are released...

slab_of_bacon said:
Luke888 said:
People who want it to release in 2017 seem to not realize that a 2017 release is pointless:
Nintendo needs to outperform SLIGHTLY the competition, in the end, they just started this generation making HD games, they shurely won't start with the NX 2k or even 4k games: The hardware to make a Nintendo console that is more powerful than a PS4, with the same price as a PS4 and to get a good revenue is already out there: PS4 was built with 2012/2013 Hardware, NX will be built with 2015/2016 one...
The stronger power wouldn't affect third party either since most of them either don't know how to make games that look that good because PS4/X1 can't handle them or simply don't support Nintendo...
Waiting for 2017 would make for another major factor: PS4 and X1's install bases would grow A LOT, and I'm shure Nintendo aims to get an NX in the house of those people instead of releasing a new console on a market with a 70M PS4 and a 40/50M X1 ...

 

Developers can handle making games to higher specifications... see PC

I understand why you think this way but that's not how it works.  People buy consoles for the experience... for the games.  I don't really think that there are such things as fanbases because there is no shame in enjoying a game from any system because you're enjoying it.  I wouldn't worry about what Microsoft and Sony do because Nintendo has differentiated itself from them the past decade.  If they put out a product people want and market it better than the Wii U they will be profitable and highly successful.  

The PC developers are those who I list as "don't support Nintendo". Nintendo showed that they can make amazing games with lower specs so why bothering making the console work on 2k, will some third party jump on it saying "I'm gona make a game exclusively for NX because it supports 2k graphics" ? I don't think so... Don't get me wrong, I don't want them to make a PS4 clone, but I want them to keep in mind the pricecut, If the device will need more horsepower, then they'll release those additional boxes that they patented, but if not they're good to go until PS5/X2 release...

Differenciating from Microsoft and Sony showed with time of beeing a double edged sword, you can outsell the competition like you did with the Wii, but you can also fail as hard as they did with the Wii U.



burninmylight on 27 January 2016
bigtakilla said:
burninmylight said:
PerturbedKitty said:
Soundwave said:
PerturbedKitty said:

youre participating in the hysteria, dont act like youre above it lol. this is like the third time ive seen you do this. recognize that youre playing in the mud just like the rest of us. 

im enjoying my wii u right now. if the nx were to come out this year (it isnt) i would get it the day it comes out and enjoy the fuck out of it. of course i would, as would my allies thunderbird, bigtakilla, and others. would you not agree that the timing is an important consideration when releasing new hardware?

 

The "hysteria" is the illogical belief that a system is some how "better" if it reaches some arbitrary date, which is bullshit. We know how Nintendo supports its consoles for the the final 11-12 months anyway ... it's basically barren (the N64 hillariously had ONE ... ONE fucking game from Nintendo for its final 12 months, GameCube was miserable its final 12 months, so was Wii). 

I don't see the "glory" in that 5th year, if Nintendo wants to skip that "12 months of shit" phase, hey great. 

I don't think timing in this case makes a huge difference. I doubt Nintendo is making a PS5-tier console either way, and if they're not then it's probably better to release earlier than later. 

soundwave.. take a deep breath with me here. ok, ready? *breathes in deeply* *breathes out*

alright, feel better?

the n64 from my memory had Dr. Mario, Paper Mario, and Mario Party 3. could be wrong, but i believe those were all 2001 releases. im well versed in nintendo games and their release dates. regardless, id agree with you about the last 12 months, everybody knows that. how could any company support their old console in the last year when preparing for the launch of their new one? thats where third party developers come in. 

anyways, i would respond to your other points, but im bored now. and i think we've already established that we are arch nemesis rivals who will rarely agree on anything. 

 

Making someone sound like a rabid madman when that person hasn't made any personal attacks against you or shown any sign of losing control; this is essentially putting them down and/or flaming.

Soundwave hasn't done anything to warrant that kind of response from you, unless you consider sound and consistent arguments based on evidence coming from sources that he has shown you to be bad  in some way. Basically, this post was in poor taste, and your little "Let's all be friends!" post that came later doesn't make up for that. If you're no longer interested in the discussion or have nothing more to add, then either say so, or don't respond at all.

You don't believe the NX is coming this year. We get it. The least you could do is acknowledge the evidence and reasoning of those who do believe so. Because right now, they sound a lot more grounded in reality than the people in your camp.

 

You accuse someone of flaming and then say this, all the while not bringing anything new to add or acknowledging our evidence and reasoning. Please practice what you preach, lol.

Yeah, let's just throw all reading comprehension and context out of the window and ignore the whole point of my post earlier...

If you want me to copy and paste all of the points that have been made earlier in the thread, then sure, I can do that. I don't know why though. You'll still ignore it and stick to your, "There is no way the NX is coming this year because it's an iron-clad law a console generation has to  be at least five years" mantra.

There, I acknowledged your evidence and reasoning. It makes sense, and history is on your side. Better?



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burninmylight on 27 January 2016
PerturbedKitty said:
burninmylight said:
PerturbedKitty said:
Soundwave said:
PerturbedKitty said:

youre participating in the hysteria, dont act like youre above it lol. this is like the third time ive seen you do this. recognize that youre playing in the mud just like the rest of us. 

im enjoying my wii u right now. if the nx were to come out this year (it isnt) i would get it the day it comes out and enjoy the fuck out of it. of course i would, as would my allies thunderbird, bigtakilla, and others. would you not agree that the timing is an important consideration when releasing new hardware?

 

The "hysteria" is the illogical belief that a system is some how "better" if it reaches some arbitrary date, which is bullshit. We know how Nintendo supports its consoles for the the final 11-12 months anyway ... it's basically barren (the N64 hillariously had ONE ... ONE fucking game from Nintendo for its final 12 months, GameCube was miserable its final 12 months, so was Wii). 

I don't see the "glory" in that 5th year, if Nintendo wants to skip that "12 months of shit" phase, hey great. 

I don't think timing in this case makes a huge difference. I doubt Nintendo is making a PS5-tier console either way, and if they're not then it's probably better to release earlier than later. 

soundwave.. take a deep breath with me here. ok, ready? *breathes in deeply* *breathes out*

alright, feel better?

the n64 from my memory had Dr. Mario, Paper Mario, and Mario Party 3. could be wrong, but i believe those were all 2001 releases. im well versed in nintendo games and their release dates. regardless, id agree with you about the last 12 months, everybody knows that. how could any company support their old console in the last year when preparing for the launch of their new one? thats where third party developers come in. 

anyways, i would respond to your other points, but im bored now. and i think we've already established that we are arch nemesis rivals who will rarely agree on anything. 

 

Making someone sound like a rabid madman when that person hasn't made any personal attacks against you or shown any sign of losing control; this is essentially putting them down and/or flaming.

Soundwave hasn't done anything to warrant that kind of response from you, unless you consider sound and consistent arguments based on evidence coming from sources that he has shown you to be bad  in some way. Basically, this post was in poor taste, and your little "Let's all be friends!" post that came later doesn't make up for that. If you're no longer interested in the discussion or have nothing more to add, then either say so, or don't respond at all.

You don't believe the NX is coming this year. We get it. The least you could do is acknowledge the evidence and reasoning of those who do believe so. Because right now, they sound a lot more grounded in reality than the people in your camp.

Soundwave and I have had a back and forth about this on and off for about 2 weeks now. The vast majority of his responses come off as very aggressive in their tone, so that's why I said that. Not that I take any sort of offense to his aggressive responses, I really don't in the slightest. I was basically just telling him to relax, I'm sorry that offends you soooooo much. Maybe forums aren't really for you if that sort of thing triggers you like that. Lol. Sorry to say. 

And talk about flaming and poor taste, your last paragraph here was completely unnecessary to get your point across. I know you've reported me for my post, what if I reported you for this crap? Whatever, saying that I'm not grounded in reality really doesn't bother me in the slightest because personally, personal attacks don't really affect me on this site. I couldn't care less what you think about me, but I'll tell you right now that you're taking this shit waaaay too seriously man. 

When it comes down to it, I don't have any problem with Soundwave at all. He vehemently defends his points in a way that's very aggressive, but I'm cool with it. It's all in good fun.

Nope,  never reported you. Never considered it that big of a deal. If you want to report me,  you go right ahead. I have no idea what you're going to file it as, but if it takes a load off of your back, be my guest.

I never said you're not grounded in reality; I said Soundwave's reasoning is a bit more grounded in reality than yours on the subject at hand. If you're as cool as reasonable as you'd like to believe, then good. Perhaps I had you mixed up with the person who started a thread with this:

PerturbedKitty said:

its been a real annoyance watching people live their lives as if this NX thing is releasing 2016, end of story. look, guys, it isnt happening. if anything, we might see a 3DS replacement. but the wii u? definitely not getting replaced this year. did you guys know that nintendo is still selling this console for $300? when in history was a console $300 the year it got replaced? never, that's when. nintendo is making money off the wii u right now, and they will all year. 2017 might be a good year to replace the wii u. right now, nintendo is still showing incredible support on all of its wii u software, and you guys honestly think that this console is going to be dropped by the end of the year? it isnt happening. i have declared that it isnt happening, and that is the end of it.

discuss.

You definitely can't be this guy. But apparently, I'm the one who is too manic and emotional for Internet message boards. I'll try to rememeber that it's all in good fun. ;)



AlfredoTurkey on 27 January 2016

How would I react? I'd be first in line come launch. I'm always ready to plunk down money on new Nintendo hardware.



AlfredoTurkey on 27 January 2016
Aeolus451 said:
If nx is a home console and they launched it in 2016, I would say, "That's asinine of nintendo to launch a next gen console when this gen isn't even past the halfway point."

The better question would be "what happens if it turns out to be a 2017 release?"

 


Assuming a standard five year cycle, Nintendo's is 80% over this november, not half. The company has released two consoles (SNES and Wii-U) on a six year cycle and three on a five year cycle (N64, Gamecube and Wii). So really, releasing this November isn't that big a deal.



PerturbedKitty on 27 January 2016
burninmylight said:
PerturbedKitty said:
burninmylight said:
PerturbedKitty said:
Soundwave said:
PerturbedKitty said:

youre participating in the hysteria, dont act like youre above it lol. this is like the third time ive seen you do this. recognize that youre playing in the mud just like the rest of us. 

im enjoying my wii u right now. if the nx were to come out this year (it isnt) i would get it the day it comes out and enjoy the fuck out of it. of course i would, as would my allies thunderbird, bigtakilla, and others. would you not agree that the timing is an important consideration when releasing new hardware?

 

The "hysteria" is the illogical belief that a system is some how "better" if it reaches some arbitrary date, which is bullshit. We know how Nintendo supports its consoles for the the final 11-12 months anyway ... it's basically barren (the N64 hillariously had ONE ... ONE fucking game from Nintendo for its final 12 months, GameCube was miserable its final 12 months, so was Wii). 

I don't see the "glory" in that 5th year, if Nintendo wants to skip that "12 months of shit" phase, hey great. 

I don't think timing in this case makes a huge difference. I doubt Nintendo is making a PS5-tier console either way, and if they're not then it's probably better to release earlier than later. 

soundwave.. take a deep breath with me here. ok, ready? *breathes in deeply* *breathes out*

alright, feel better?

the n64 from my memory had Dr. Mario, Paper Mario, and Mario Party 3. could be wrong, but i believe those were all 2001 releases. im well versed in nintendo games and their release dates. regardless, id agree with you about the last 12 months, everybody knows that. how could any company support their old console in the last year when preparing for the launch of their new one? thats where third party developers come in. 

anyways, i would respond to your other points, but im bored now. and i think we've already established that we are arch nemesis rivals who will rarely agree on anything. 

 

Making someone sound like a rabid madman when that person hasn't made any personal attacks against you or shown any sign of losing control; this is essentially putting them down and/or flaming.

Soundwave hasn't done anything to warrant that kind of response from you, unless you consider sound and consistent arguments based on evidence coming from sources that he has shown you to be bad  in some way. Basically, this post was in poor taste, and your little "Let's all be friends!" post that came later doesn't make up for that. If you're no longer interested in the discussion or have nothing more to add, then either say so, or don't respond at all.

You don't believe the NX is coming this year. We get it. The least you could do is acknowledge the evidence and reasoning of those who do believe so. Because right now, they sound a lot more grounded in reality than the people in your camp.

Soundwave and I have had a back and forth about this on and off for about 2 weeks now. The vast majority of his responses come off as very aggressive in their tone, so that's why I said that. Not that I take any sort of offense to his aggressive responses, I really don't in the slightest. I was basically just telling him to relax, I'm sorry that offends you soooooo much. Maybe forums aren't really for you if that sort of thing triggers you like that. Lol. Sorry to say. 

And talk about flaming and poor taste, your last paragraph here was completely unnecessary to get your point across. I know you've reported me for my post, what if I reported you for this crap? Whatever, saying that I'm not grounded in reality really doesn't bother me in the slightest because personally, personal attacks don't really affect me on this site. I couldn't care less what you think about me, but I'll tell you right now that you're taking this shit waaaay too seriously man. 

When it comes down to it, I don't have any problem with Soundwave at all. He vehemently defends his points in a way that's very aggressive, but I'm cool with it. It's all in good fun.

Nope,  never reported you. Never considered it that big of a deal. If you want to report me,  you go right ahead. I have no idea what you're going to file it as, but if it takes a load off of your back, be my guest.

I never said you're not grounded in reality; I said Soundwave's reasoning is a bit more grounded in reality than yours on the subject at hand. If you're as cool as reasonable as you'd like to believe, then good. Perhaps I had you mixed up with the person who started a thread with this:

PerturbedKitty said:

its been a real annoyance watching people live their lives as if this NX thing is releasing 2016, end of story. look, guys, it isnt happening. if anything, we might see a 3DS replacement. but the wii u? definitely not getting replaced this year. did you guys know that nintendo is still selling this console for $300? when in history was a console $300 the year it got replaced? never, that's when. nintendo is making money off the wii u right now, and they will all year. 2017 might be a good year to replace the wii u. right now, nintendo is still showing incredible support on all of its wii u software, and you guys honestly think that this console is going to be dropped by the end of the year? it isnt happening. i have declared that it isnt happening, and that is the end of it.

discuss.

You definitely can't be this guy. But apparently, I'm the one who is too manic and emotional for Internet message boards. I'll try to rememeber that it's all in good fun. ;)

Lol, I don't report people. 

And like I said, you're taking all this waaaay too seriously. Pay attention to the things I post and after awhile maybe you will understand lol





burninmylight on 27 January 2016

I'm on the fence about whether it's coming this year or not, but I'm fine with either possibility. I have plenty of Wii, Wii U and 3DS games still in their shrink wrap to hold me down in the meantime. I just want Nintendo to do what's best for itself longterm.