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It is a myth. It used to exist, but times have changed. People just want something to complain about and if it also makes it out that their shortcomings are beyond their control, two bird with one stone.

America has become oversensitive in ALL aspects and it will only hurt us in the future if it keeps up.



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kitler53 said:
i believe in privilege but i don't really buy into white privilege.

i grew up privileged for sure. my parents were wealthy and i lived in a good neighborhood and had access to good schools. i certainly owe a lot of my current wealth to circumstances of my upbringing. don't get me wrong,.. i worked hard to have what i have but i totally get that i'm lucky to have been able to go to college without having to take out huge loans.

but the asian kids, the latino kids, the black kids from my school. they all did really well too.

blacks are worse off these days but there is a difference between correlation and causation. i don't really believe corporations and college applications have the kind of discriminatory behavior it did 100 years ago today. i think a "good" black kid has just as good a chance to be successful as a "good" white kid.

however, economics and location and family play a huge role in those early years of a child's growth and the economic and location effects of slavery and segregation are still having a negative effect on today's black american which in turn affects family.

so in the end,.. i think the heart of the complaints are valid but i still think the phrase white privilege misplaces the blame. it is, to me, less about white privilege and more about post-slavery repercussions.

 

This so much.  You my friend get it!



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I teach in a 98-99% inner city, low income, African american public school. I am white. Here are some thoughts I have on what I see:

There is a TON of disrespect towards each other, themselves, and adults by the students. When someone in the community (often a former drop out or graduate) dies, instead of being sad about it the students most often treat it as some interesting and exciting news. The value for life in this community is drastically lower in comparison to higher income environments.

The kids, for the vast majority of them, do not care about their grades. No matter how many times we, as adults, try to point out the importance of it, no matter how many times we describe how this could be there way out of this way of life, they just don't care. To them, dropping out or failing doesn't matter (we do have students that do care, but most don't).

There are fights all the time and there are legit gangs (based on streets the students live on around the school). We have had weapons, drugs, sexual activity and we've had the cops in the school and around it when these events go on, chasing down the students that are trying to flee.

When I look at this (and this does connect to the white privilege thing) I start to ask why. I have a history background and teach government in this school. Why do I (and let's just be honest here) see black people doing this stuff so often in these types of environments? It doesn't take long to find the answer. You look at the families and realize the truth. In education, it's common for us teachers to say to each other that we are powerless if the home life isn't aligned with us. If the family has fallen to pieces, then we have no shot at helping these kids most often. When I look at the families of the students I work with, so often is there no dad or grandma is in charge because mom is on drugs or dad is in prison, dead, or was too scared to be a baby dady and ran.

So it's easy to just blame the families, but then I have to think why are they the way they are? I have a good friend, from Nigeria, that I was roommates in college with for a couple years. He NEVER acted like this. He contributed to society. He had a whole and wonderful family and now has a wife and a baby on the way and is living the dream, if you will. He was and is extremely respectful, cares about his future, and cares about life. What makes him, and many other Africans I knew, so different in their morals, values, and educational focus than so many African Americans?

Slavery. When Africans were stripped from Africa and forced to become slaves, we beat them down and made them feel inferior. We took them away from their families and split them all up. There entire race has been basically shut into an insane asylum and then, after a LOOOOONG time, were set free. Did we do anything to help them adjust to this freedom? Did we issue national programs to help them reconnect with their families?

Any race, if given what Africans Americans went through, would degenerate similarly. It isn't their fault and many of them are ignorant to why they are what they are in the first place. We are all subject to conditioning. Their conditioning started hundreds of years ago. As a race, white people totally screwed up the mentality of African Americans through slavery. This is the reason why we are "privileged" and why we owe them until their race is restored to the same playing field as any decent African (intelligent, family focused, and concerned with helping themselves and others have good lives).

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Thank You. 

How can you two scapegoat slavery 150 years later?

Yes... from a sociology  (joke science) perspective we can absolutely blame culture. There is significantly more external pressure to succeed in suburbia over inner city communities.

However, this is already somewhat offset by the pell grant stacked with state aid. In my state, I actually am at a disadvatage for growing up middle class rather than poor. I had to take out $45,000 in loans WHILE working .75 FTE to get the same job and salary as my "poor" coworkers that got the same diploma and housing, medical and food aid. 

The aid is easy as hell to get. Community colleges don't require a test or even HS grades. Universitys will then skip the HS and test requirements. People get a guarateed second chance if they just use it.

 

No grant or federal/state financial aid can ever help someone overcome a torn up heart and mental health caused by fractured families. I'm white and I didn't get the same scholarship opportunities as minorities do going to college, yet I have a wife and both of our families that we come from are healthy and whole and we both graduated from college and now have successful careers. Your family is far more important on your future than any kind of financial aid from the government is.



Classism

That's the root of a lot of problems. When you're born low, you tend to remain there because of lack of education, opportunity, and a solid family structure. Thanks to our past of slavery and Jim Crowe laws, Blacks in this country basically all started out in a low class, and it's been proven time and time again that succeeding generations tend to move laterally instead of up. The disparity is also more blatant because of race, which only makes matters worse and creates more divisive attitudes for everyone.



Shiken said:
It is a myth. It used to exist, but times have changed. People just want something to complain about and if it also makes it out that their shortcomings are beyond their control, two bird with one stone.

America has become oversensitive in ALL aspects and it will only hurt us in the future if it keeps up.

 


White people have certainly "grown up" over the past few hundreds of years, as a whole. But there is white privelege in the sense that we all come from, again for the most part, healthy and whole family structures and have our head in the right place, where as many African Americans, due to their families being stripped apart for hundreds of years, do not have healthy and whole families and have their heads stuck in survival mode (committing crimes and then blaming others, for example). Many of them can't help it because it's based on conditioning over hundreds of years. There are only two options going forward: 1) Kill all African Americans (a TERRIBLE TERRIBLE way forward that I DON'T agree with) or 2) Work our butts off in society to help restore their cultural health.

What we are currently doing (white people "giving up" on blacks and blacks nonstop blaming whites) isn't working, so we obviously need to change our perception as a whole.



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Lol, these political the threads keep getting worse and worse. The gaming crowd is not the most politically inclined, but I find it hard to believe that people can't take the time to just do the research. White males are paid more per hour than their female and minority counterparts for the same work (with equivalent qualifications). It's not politics, it's statistics.

Why people have to bring personal opinion and anecdote into the equation, rather than just fix the issue, I can only speculate. Fear based insecurity that our (I'm a white male) dominance of society is in decline?



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I won't get too deep into this debate simply because nothing will change. However, I'll add this. A friend and I once experimented with resumes and put names like "Allen Simpson", Kaitlin Graham, "Jabari Mohammed", and "Lashonda Johnson" on the same resumes. Nothing was changed on the resumes save for the names, addresses, personal info, and contact info. We'd put some of the "whiter" sounding names with addresses from trailer parks and some of the more ethnic sounding names in some of the best communities in our area. We put all the same info on the resumes but put them in random order as to not make it so obvious. Lashonda and Jabari go nearly no calls back even though they'd attended top schools and graduated with honors. In fact, if I remember correctly each received 3 calls back from the over 50 resumes we sent out.

Now, when Allen and Kaitlin were put on the same resumes we were flooded with calls back. Nearly every business called us back and I was fielding calls quickly and so was she. We thought it was funny because we'd not really had anything planned to say when we'd actually gotten the calls back. Eventually we'd come up with the reply that we'd already found work and we no longer need to apply. Some of the businesses even went as far as to ask what we're being paid by our new jobs and would offer to beat it.

Ok, so even though Allen and Kaitlin may not be white and there's no way for a company to know that beforehand you have to think that names like Jabari and Lashonda are not called back for a reason. What's funny is that my friends (and even my wife, who's white and also says white privilege doesn't exist) always joke that I only get calls back from all the jobs I apply for because my name is Sheldon. My rebuttal is that this may be true but I still have to show up black and have a good interview. I do wonder if my mother had named me something more "black" would getting calls back from jobs be harder. Who knows...



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StuOhQ said:
Lol, these political the threads keep getting worse and worse. The gaming crowd is not the most politically inclined, but I find it hard to believe that people can't take the time to just do the research. White males are paid more per hour than their female and minority counterparts for the same work (with equivalent qualifications). It's not politics, it's statistics.

Why people have to bring personal opinion and anecdote into the equation, rather than just fix the issue, I can only speculate. Fear based insecurity that our (I'm a white male) dominance of society is in decline?

 


I too find it odd that there's so much political talk on a video games site. And it seems to become more heated than the political sites I visit.



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It exists. Brain structure being the biggest privilege.

 

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-European countries cut up Africa like a nice pie. Africa still sucks to this day.
-UK poops on India
-Spain takes a giant dump on central and South america. Mayans? Aztecs? Incans? Who are they?
-English come over to North America and take a big dump on the Aboriginals. Try to assimilate them into whiteness by putting them in residential schools, or push them to the bottom with treaties and reserves. Need proof that the Aboriginals got royally fucked here? Look at the Natives in British Columbia who did not sign a treaty, and compare them to the others.

Flash forward to 2015:
-We are a lot further ahead than we were back then, but it's strange pointing fingers elsewhere when we are the reason for almost every minority. We put them at the bottom at the first place lol. We have a privilege because we aren't an economic minority.

I'm not too sure about white privilege as a term to be used tbh but when I look at poverty within my own country (Canada), the stats are almost shocking. Aboriginals make up the majority of the prison population despite being about 5% of the total population. Poverty, homelessness, education level, literacy etc - the results all paint the same picture: you are better off being born into a white family than any other race. That's just the way it is, there is no possible way you can explain that away.



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