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MikeRox said:
Tigerlure said:

For someone who says they go to school, you must not be learning anything. Take a basic Sociology course. You'll learn that it's a real thing. I'll spell out specific examples for you.

White privilege is having generational wealth because your family after World War II was not forced into segregated, red-zoned neighborhoods. 

White privilege is using that wealth to get access to better schools and a better education because your family can afford to pay the high property taxes.

White privilege is using drug at the same rate as African Americans, but not being dispropotionately targeted by police.

White privilege is not being pulled over by police for driving a nice car while being black/latino.

White privilege is not getting your resume thrown out, when you're just as qualified as the next white applicant but are discriminated due to a foreign sounding name.

Those are just a few examples. Some are defensive about white privilege because they take it to mean that they haven't worked hard for what they earned. That is NOT what white privilege is. No one is saying you haven't earned what you've worked hard for. What we're saying is that there are conscious and subsconscious biases in society that give you certain advantages.

 

So American white privilege? I think this forum gets lost in topics like this because there are global users. And while I can see every example fitting the US, it doesn't fit as a template globally.

These topics often get lost because different countries and cultures have very different definitions of racism and what is acceptable. Europe is far more racist than the US is, but the US has the reputation of race problems. It's a unique dynamic.



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Wyrdness said:
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And what cause the error in inteligence and rash action?

Try to put police in brazil to only act to search if he received denounce or have facial portrait, no one would ever be searched ands crimes would rise even more.

You may be hearing much more than what happens and from biased info. Sources want to put violence against woman as big issue here, but forget that homicide against men is 7x higher so it isn't mysoginist murdering culture.

And you know what show we have even bigger diversity? Is that although we have the neighborhoods of immigrants ( most europeans countries, about all middle east, several of the asian, most south american and very few african but they are already part because slavery centuries ago) most of those guetthos are weak because most of the population in then after 1 or 2 generations end up mixing with locals not only in living in other neighborhoods but also marriage.

I agreed one of then is terrorism. I said one could be and another don't even if both are acts to cause terror. Or terrorism only goal is to unrest society? No further agenda? No connection with gaining power or having desires attended? White groups in Ireland and Spain are well know terrorist and their action and purpose is very well stablished... a single nutjob doing what you want to call terrorism but newspaper didn't said it was terrorism may not adhere. Or you call terrorism all the school shooting? You were so eager to call yourself winner that you rushed your conclusion, and still haven't answered my scenario.

The were a host of mistakes like one of the officers meant to watch him was meant to confirm if he's the man they're after on the day he was shot but the officer was taking a slash in the bushes so missed the chance to identify him.

More men dying also doesn't mean women aren't being abused or attacked, using one set of stats to dismiss a problem is a flawed way to look at issues as it leads to the denial of the being a problem.

The paragraph about neighbourhoods isn't very clear doesn't make much sense, can't tell what you're trying to say here.

The two acts were identical in nature and their goal so how is it only one of them is terrorism, they're either both terrorism or not, terrorism is not exclusive to groups it can be individuals. Terrorism is the act to maliciously destablize a country or society it has nothing to do with groups or individuals it's just the act and the goal of the act itself, someone going into a school and shooting because he's being bullied is not terrorism or even comparable but someone going into a school and shooting with the goal to maliciously attack the society is terrorism.

This why that guy not being laballed a terrorist while the two people of Arab descent having terrorism flashed all over their incident is a prime example of what people are highlighting here.

Ok, I won't dwell further, but if you think policeman on europe don't profile and look harsher on immigrants or people in bad clothing I'll accept your word on that.

Yes it does. Brazil is a violent place. There is a bigger chance of a straight men being killed than a gay or woman. But for their statistic of violance about any of them the statistics will consider any violence against gay (it may be random homice, latrocine, it may be one gay being violent towards another gay or anything not directly linked to killing a gay because of he being gay) to say there is gay hatred, similar things is done to woman and black (in brazil most black men are killed by other black men on gang, turf or drugs affair, but they try to paint racism as reason) and ignore that considering population distribution those crimes are smaller than general crimes just to push a narrative.

Ok I haven't see the case but you say both were exactly equal (although from what I see mostly people will consider terrorism when there is a political agenda and/or group behind) I could agree with biased journalism (which isn't new, there is a lot of bias in journalism).

And when do you intend on answering my question on the dark street? Or you just want to parade as winner?



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White Privilege does exist. As a black man from the inner city lower income bracket who has spent half of education in both lower income public schools and the latter half in the upper income private schools of NYC, I have witnessed it first hand.

The thing is, white privilege is sort of misnomer, since it is not so much of a privilege but an advantage of being the social default. For example I have throughout my life experience numerous times in which I was stopped by police simply because they didn't believe I was a student at a private school, so I must be there to rob students. Or in PA when I went to college and I was stopped by officers on my way back from the library at night because I looked suspicious or fit the description of a nearby crime. That's how it works. It's the ghost of the Jim Crow era in this nation, in which slavery was no longer institutionally enforced so the racial caste system was held intact by white "privilege".

The thing is, white privilege, and racism to a larger extent, hurts white people just as much as it does the disenfranchised groups it targets. Because ultimately in order for these concepts to work, you have to accept whiteness and separate yourself from others. Which is ultimately why these systems were created in the first place - see Bacon's Rebellion



The best example of white privilege I have ever heard btw, was from an English Teacher in high school. She says white privilege isn't a membership to a club. It is actually the ability to apply for it, which you don't see as a privilege until you look back and realize how many cannot apply behind you. And part of that so called privilege is that you don't have to ever look back.



outlawauron said:
MikeRox said:
Tigerlure said:

For someone who says they go to school, you must not be learning anything. Take a basic Sociology course. You'll learn that it's a real thing. I'll spell out specific examples for you.

White privilege is having generational wealth because your family after World War II was not forced into segregated, red-zoned neighborhoods. 

White privilege is using that wealth to get access to better schools and a better education because your family can afford to pay the high property taxes.

White privilege is using drug at the same rate as African Americans, but not being dispropotionately targeted by police.

White privilege is not being pulled over by police for driving a nice car while being black/latino.

White privilege is not getting your resume thrown out, when you're just as qualified as the next white applicant but are discriminated due to a foreign sounding name.

Those are just a few examples. Some are defensive about white privilege because they take it to mean that they haven't worked hard for what they earned. That is NOT what white privilege is. No one is saying you haven't earned what you've worked hard for. What we're saying is that there are conscious and subsconscious biases in society that give you certain advantages.

 

So American white privilege? I think this forum gets lost in topics like this because there are global users. And while I can see every example fitting the US, it doesn't fit as a template globally.

These topics often get lost because different countries and cultures have very different definitions of racism and what is acceptable. Europe is far more racist than the US is, but the US has the reputation of race problems. It's a unique dynamic.

 


I think comparing Europe to the US is a poor comparison. Are there countries in Europe that are more racist than the US? I've certainly read articles which would suggest so. However just talking from a UK/US perspective (things I have experienced first hand), I was struck how overtly racist the US is compared with the UK. It was so bad and blatent in St Louis it made me uncomfortable. And I'm white!



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Multishanks said:
White Privilege does exist. As a black man from the inner city lower income bracket who has spent half of education in both lower income public schools and the latter half in the upper income private schools of NYC, I have witnessed it first hand.

The thing is, white privilege is sort of misnomer, since it is not so much of a privilege but an advantage of being the social default. For example I have throughout my life experience numerous times in which I was stopped by police simply because they didn't believe I was a student at a private school, so I must be there to rob students. Or in PA when I went to college and I was stopped by officers on my way back from the library at night because I looked suspicious or fit the description of a nearby crime. That's how it works. It's the ghost of the Jim Crow era in this nation, in which slavery was no longer institutionally enforced so the racial caste system was held intact by white "privilege".

The thing is, white privilege, and racism to a larger extent, hurts white people just as much as it does the disenfranchised groups it targets. Because ultimately in order for these concepts to work, you have to accept whiteness and separate yourself from others. Which is ultimately why these systems were created in the first place - see Bacon's Rebellion

You were very eloquent in both examples... I agree with you that there is no white privilegue but certainly is several extra harshness for black people depending on their birth (because rich black guys sometimes may have it easier than the white rich depending on the situation or much worse in another). But being born black, poor and on a violent place will certainly take a bigger burden for you to rise above.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

MikeRox said:
outlawauron said:

These topics often get lost because different countries and cultures have very different definitions of racism and what is acceptable. Europe is far more racist than the US is, but the US has the reputation of race problems. It's a unique dynamic.

I think comparing Europe to the US is a poor comparison. Are there countries in Europe that are more racist than the US? I've certainly read articles which would suggest so. However just talking from a UK/US perspective (things I have experienced first hand), I was struck how overtly racist the US is compared with the UK. It was so bad and blatent in St Louis it made me uncomfortable. And I'm white!

It all depends on the media you consume as it can paint how you see it. I can read about Chelsea supporters and the subway fiasco, and I don't think that's very fair to assign to all Brits. I'm not sure what you're referring about in St. Louis, but I would actually argue it's the only way around. The only racism you really see in the US is personal beliefs or prejudices (i.e. how someone responds when seeing a black/white person doing the same action, or what stereotypes they have come to believe), which aren't overtly displayed.



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It's the same bullshit than " Males Privilege", to put in the same cases, something invented by histeric people who try to find a purpose in their life



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White privilege does exist just like it would for any other group that dominated most of the known world. Were the tables turned it would most likely be similar. People in America tend to think that creativing affirmative action gave minorities and women privilege but it did not. All it did was create a space in the bracket for them where otherwise they would've been eaten alive in the market by the dominant population.