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Polls show Bernie Sanders stopping him rather decisively while Hillary also has an edge. But on the Republican side? No, there are too many splitting the vote for any to be a clear alternative or a stronger voice of bigotry/insanity to win over Trump's target audience.



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Rpruett said:

 

bouzane said:
Rpruett said:

Reagan had incredible economic growth during his presidency.  The Bushes not so much.   Really from the Democratic side you have Clinton and prior to that who was the last Democrat who was in charge of a strong economy? 

 

I suppose you're right,  we should yield to people who have not shown any ability to invest or grow their personal wealth in any other capacity  other than taking tax payer money.   Maybe we should be voting for someone who couldn't pass her bar exam initially,  nothing like nepotism to ensure great hires!  

 

If Trumps statement is correct that he received a loan of one million dollars,  (and his high-end estimated worth is 10 billion dollars).... He would have tangibly increased his wealth roughly 10,000%. In regular people standards,  If you were to receive  50,000$ and show growth of 10,000% that's akin to you being worth 500 million dollars.   

 



 

We've been over this before, Reagan's economic growth came at the expense of a massive increase in the nation's debt. Reagan's economic accomplishments were not particularly impressive when taken in context, he was simply far better than the Bushes, Obama and Carter. Reagan's D grade in economics is the best thing the Republican party has accomplished in decades so again, their trash talking would be hilarious if it were not so pathetic.

I don't know where I endorsed any Democrats (a political organization that I thoroughly despise) so you might want to work on your reading comprehension because it seems to be lacking. Your little tirade about taking tax payer money can also be applied to Trump because he needed government bailouts on multiple occasions in the last 25 years. Hell, both parties seem to subscribe to a neo-corporatist / fascist economic model in which tax payer revenue is siphoned off to private organizations and individuals in an effort to undermine competition (a bold affront to capitalism and economic freedom). This reminds me of a quote:

"in a society where one can not fail, one can not succeed".

I don't know how I fooled it up last night but I thought Trump was pretty average as far as investment growth was concerned. Trump's total worth

That's all well and good, but the GDP rates were through the roof during the Reagan years, they averaged nearly 3.5%.  Far superior to what we see today.   Workforce participation is at nearly a 40 year low, which completely skews most employment statistics that would likely be pretty meager today if considered.  

I was not implying you were toting Democrats, simply that what better realistic alternatives currently exist?  Trump was in the private sector, ofcourse he would take whatever he could to improve his bottom line (As has every other business). 

I don't think many are painting Donald Trump as Warren Buffett.  Then again,  Warren Buffett isn't running for President.   So above average in terms of investment growth, significant experience globally in business,  private sector experience (employing 10,000+ people).  I'd consider that experience tangible and light years ahead of "Wife of Bill Clinton",  "Socialist promising the world",  "Son and Brother of Presidents".  And I suspect that this is a primary driver of why many support him.   

 

Trump does not care for the average American citizen nor does he give a damn about the poor.  Sanders does.
Trump is a known asshole and terrible person to do business with.  He has screwed over many, filed for bankruptcy multiple times, and has the reputation of the arrogant douche who thinks he is right and you are wrong.  To me and many others, he brings out the worst in people and directs the blame to someone undeserving.  The outside world laughs at the US for considering him. 
First off, he said climate change was a hoax invented by the Chinese.  What an idiot...  Then he said he wants the guys in Silicon Valley to shutoff the Internet for enemies in the middle east.  What an idiot...He wants Muslims to ID themselves and register in a government database...What an idiot....
His constant jabs and Jeb and other candidates is just sad to watch.  Entertaining, but sad that is the best the Republican side has to offer.

Thankfully, Sanders would annihalate him in a general election.   He just needs to get pass Hillary, who is a complete corporate scumbag. 

 



Rpruett said:
Ljink96 said:
Once things get down to the nitty gritty, America will hopefully snap out of it and end the ride. It's sad as hell when you're Republican front runner is Donald Trump. Business man, sure. President...uh..no. Most presidents we have seen, can tame their tongue and be wise to speak when appropriate and listen. He does too much speaking and too little listening, that's a recipe for a bona fide idiot. Why is he always in the news? He insults everyone he comes in contact with and he's fake as heck. You thought Obama was terrible...you thought Bush was terrible...just wait for Trump. He'll show us real terror.

You don't build a multi-billion dollar empire without being able to get along and compromise with  a wide group of people.  I really can't put it any simpler than that.   You think Trump will be terrible because you're buying his shtick hook, line and sinker.  You think he's just some blowhard reality TV show star.  He's a smart ivy league educated man who is essentially running an incredibly low budget campaign and completely destroying his competitors in the process.  

He's always in the news because he wants to always be in the news.  It's called playing to win the game.  He's out polticianing the politicians.  

 

Obama had zero credentials for his presidency.  Zero.   Just like Bush,  Bush had zero credentials other than "My Dad was pres!".   Trump will be way better than both of them.  

The private sector and the government are not the same, this is the thing people continue to forget.  Trump cannot just do whatever he wants if he becomes president because there is this thing called Congress in the middle.  Being president doesn't give Trump this GOD like power to dictate how things will work within this country because there is this thing called Congress in the middle.  The biggest problem with Trump is that it looks like he does not have the backing of his own party.  Not being able to bring both Democrats and Republicans together will derail anything he tries to do.  Not once has Trump showed he has the tact work work in politics.  As Trump has shown time and again, he attacks when he does not get his way or challenged.  He gets personal and fire away with that tongue without any thought of the long game.  

Case in point will be Obama.  When Obama first came into Office he had a Strong Democratic representation in the Senate and the House so he was able to pass Obama care (Afordable Care Act), after that he was not really able to do anything once Republicans took enough seats and thus a lot of stuff he wanted to do got stalled because no matter how beneficial the things he wanted to pass, republicans refused to vote.  There are some really crazy stuff that Re

The real big problem with Trump is that his billions means nothing unless he is going to grease the pockets of a lot of people to get things done and he will need to do that for both parties.

Trump billions mean nothing when it comes to running the country.  The ecomony is way more complex than buying and selling real estate.





Machiavellian said:
Rpruett said:
Ljink96 said:
Once things get down to the nitty gritty, America will hopefully snap out of it and end the ride. It's sad as hell when you're Republican front runner is Donald Trump. Business man, sure. President...uh..no. Most presidents we have seen, can tame their tongue and be wise to speak when appropriate and listen. He does too much speaking and too little listening, that's a recipe for a bona fide idiot. Why is he always in the news? He insults everyone he comes in contact with and he's fake as heck. You thought Obama was terrible...you thought Bush was terrible...just wait for Trump. He'll show us real terror.

You don't build a multi-billion dollar empire without being able to get along and compromise with  a wide group of people.  I really can't put it any simpler than that.   You think Trump will be terrible because you're buying his shtick hook, line and sinker.  You think he's just some blowhard reality TV show star.  He's a smart ivy league educated man who is essentially running an incredibly low budget campaign and completely destroying his competitors in the process.  

He's always in the news because he wants to always be in the news.  It's called playing to win the game.  He's out polticianing the politicians.  

 

Obama had zero credentials for his presidency.  Zero.   Just like Bush,  Bush had zero credentials other than "My Dad was pres!".   Trump will be way better than both of them.  

The private sector and the government are not the same, this is the thing people continue to forget.  Trump cannot just do whatever he wants if he becomes president because there is this thing called Congress in the middle.  Being president doesn't give Trump this GOD like power to dictate how things will work within this country because there is this thing called Congress in the middle.  The biggest problem with Trump is that it looks like he does not have the backing of his own party.  Not being able to bring both Democrats and Republicans together will derail anything he tries to do.  Not once has Trump showed he has the tact work work in politics.  As Trump has shown time and again, he attacks when he does not get his way or challenged.  He gets personal and fire away with that tongue without any thought of the long game.  

Case in point will be Obama.  When Obama first came into Office he had a Strong Democratic representation in the Senate and the House so he was able to pass Obama care (Afordable Care Act), after that he was not really able to do anything once Republicans took enough seats and thus a lot of stuff he wanted to do got stalled because no matter how beneficial the things he wanted to pass, republicans refused to vote.  There are some really crazy stuff that Re

The real big problem with Trump is that his billions means nothing unless he is going to grease the pockets of a lot of people to get things done and he will need to do that for both parties.

Trump billions mean nothing when it comes to running the country.  The ecomony is way more complex than buying and selling real estate.



Firstly,  no one said that Trump was going to come in and strong arm himself around and get his way.  That goes against the entire foundation of how this country was setup.   His private sector experience will pay great dividends when pushing the direction this country moves forward in though.  It's almost laughable that you dismiss something so large.

And again, Trump has built upwards to a 10 billion dollar global enterprise, spanning a wide variety of countries, cultures.  He has clearly proven that he has the skillset with making deals, getting along with diverse personalities and coming out on top of those interactions.  It's simply put,  that simple.  You're so wound up with his 'media' appearance that you can't see the forest through the trees.  His campaign alone is a complete reference on his political skills, he's beating every establishment backed candidate on a shoe string budget while being simultaneously attacked from all over the place.  There is plenty of Trump content that shows him in more formal situations and he handles them very well and with tact.  

You are under the illusion that just because Obama wanted to do something that everyone would just fall in line with his wishes.  The simple take away here is that Obama was dividing Ds and Rs to level that Rs almost entirely refused to work with him.   That is a poor president.  A quality president finds ways to reach positive middle grounds between the two sides.  

Trump has the highest poll numbers and advantage over his opponents of any candidate in either party.   He's got plenty of support among his party and you're delusional for believing otherwise. Trump is a businessman and knows how to reach mutually beneficial (See Positive outcomes) for whomever he is representing.  





Sharpryno said:
Rpruett said:

 

That's all well and good, but the GDP rates were through the roof during the Reagan years, they averaged nearly 3.5%.  Far superior to what we see today.   Workforce participation is at nearly a 40 year low, which completely skews most employment statistics that would likely be pretty meager today if considered.  

I was not implying you were toting Democrats, simply that what better realistic alternatives currently exist?  Trump was in the private sector, ofcourse he would take whatever he could to improve his bottom line (As has every other business). 

I don't think many are painting Donald Trump as Warren Buffett.  Then again,  Warren Buffett isn't running for President.   So above average in terms of investment growth, significant experience globally in business,  private sector experience (employing 10,000+ people).  I'd consider that experience tangible and light years ahead of "Wife of Bill Clinton",  "Socialist promising the world",  "Son and Brother of Presidents".  And I suspect that this is a primary driver of why many support him.   

 

Trump does not care for the average American citizen nor does he give a damn about the poor.  Sanders does.
Trump is a known asshole and terrible person to do business with.  He has screwed over many, filed for bankruptcy multiple times, and has the reputation of the arrogant douche who thinks he is right and you are wrong.  To me and many others, he brings out the worst in people and directs the blame to someone undeserving.  The outside world laughs at the US for considering him. 
First off, he said climate change was a hoax invented by the Chinese.  What an idiot...  Then he said he wants the guys in Silicon Valley to shutoff the Internet for enemies in the middle east.  What an idiot...He wants Muslims to ID themselves and register in a government database...What an idiot....
His constant jabs and Jeb and other candidates is just sad to watch.  Entertaining, but sad that is the best the Republican side has to offer.

Thankfully, Sanders would annihalate him in a general election.   He just needs to get pass Hillary, who is a complete corporate scumbag. 

 

Just because Sanders 'cares' for the poor, doesn't mean the ideology that he's proposing to fix it is any good.    Beyond that, you rattle of a bunch of unproven statements and subjective opinions.  Learn the differences between bankruptcy and then we can continue that discussion.    

Nobody in the US should be basing our political decisions based on what the 'rest of the world' wants us to select.  The rest of the world's interest is never serving the United States.  He's not a scientist, why would you care about his opinion on something so conroversial?   What's wrong with working with some of the tech giants to restrict terrorists form of communication?  

Sanders likely won't even get past Hillary at this point.  Let alone win a general election.

 



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Rpruett said:
Sharpryno said:
Rpruett said:

 

That's all well and good, but the GDP rates were through the roof during the Reagan years, they averaged nearly 3.5%.  Far superior to what we see today.   Workforce participation is at nearly a 40 year low, which completely skews most employment statistics that would likely be pretty meager today if considered.  

I was not implying you were toting Democrats, simply that what better realistic alternatives currently exist?  Trump was in the private sector, ofcourse he would take whatever he could to improve his bottom line (As has every other business). 

I don't think many are painting Donald Trump as Warren Buffett.  Then again,  Warren Buffett isn't running for President.   So above average in terms of investment growth, significant experience globally in business,  private sector experience (employing 10,000+ people).  I'd consider that experience tangible and light years ahead of "Wife of Bill Clinton",  "Socialist promising the world",  "Son and Brother of Presidents".  And I suspect that this is a primary driver of why many support him.   

 

Trump does not care for the average American citizen nor does he give a damn about the poor.  Sanders does.
Trump is a known asshole and terrible person to do business with.  He has screwed over many, filed for bankruptcy multiple times, and has the reputation of the arrogant douche who thinks he is right and you are wrong.  To me and many others, he brings out the worst in people and directs the blame to someone undeserving.  The outside world laughs at the US for considering him. 
First off, he said climate change was a hoax invented by the Chinese.  What an idiot...  Then he said he wants the guys in Silicon Valley to shutoff the Internet for enemies in the middle east.  What an idiot...He wants Muslims to ID themselves and register in a government database...What an idiot....
His constant jabs and Jeb and other candidates is just sad to watch.  Entertaining, but sad that is the best the Republican side has to offer.

Thankfully, Sanders would annihalate him in a general election.   He just needs to get pass Hillary, who is a complete corporate scumbag. 

 

Just because Sanders 'cares' for the poor, doesn't mean the ideology that he's proposing to fix it is any good.    Beyond that, you rattle of a bunch of unproven statements and subjective opinions.  Learn the differences between bankruptcy and then we can continue that discussion.    

Nobody in the US should be basing our political decisions based on what the 'rest of the world' wants us to select.  The rest of the world's interest is never serving the United States.  He's not a scientist, why would you care about his opinion on something so conroversial?   What's wrong with working with some of the tech giants to restrict terrorists form of communication?  

Sanders likely won't even get past Hillary at this point.  Let alone win a general election.

 

I know why he filed for bankruptcy...but to do it 4+ times is just sad that he had to resort to it.   

Sanders wants healthcare for everyone with no ridiculous deductibles or insurance companies who solely exists to but profit above people.  Even your employer would pay less.  Sanders also understands Big Pharma is ripping people off in this country and will end it.   Cheaper education, investing heavily in better infrastructure, 90 days of paid family leave to be with your newbown, breaking up the banks that are too big to fail, taxing wallstreet (who taxpayers bailed out in 08' and have gotten nothing back from them) as well as preventing the US from deploying ground troops.  
Such crazy ideas man...Your fellow countrymen should help each other out.  No one should have to go into debt for needing cancer treatments, absolutely no one.  If you think any of those is impossible or not useful,  then you are part of the problem. 

You have Sanders who has been saying the same thing for decades.  Amazing how the things he preached against have came true and screwed our society (corporte power over government).  

Clinton or Sanders will be the next president; that is simply a given.  

What's wrong with working with some of the tech giants to restrict terrorists form of communication?
That is not how the internet works, you cannot just pick and chose and there are plenty of ways around DNS blocking.  He hasn't a clue as to how the internet works and thinks America owns it for some ignorant reason.  
Nobody in the US should be basing our political decisions based on what the 'rest of the world' wants us to select
When we have clowns like Trump and Palin making headlines, the rest of the world just sees us the strerotype "dumb American."  At least they believe Obama is a well-spoken and intelligent leader even when half of our country doesn't because the stereotype is someone true...
He's not a scientist, why would you care about his opinion on something so conroversial?
CO2 emissions are at an all time high.  If we care about the planet we will lower them through renewable energy housing and infrastrucutre.  Something Trump has never talked about.  Hell, he probably wants more government welfare and subsidies to go to the Oil companies.  

Trump paraphrased: "I would want all Muslims to register and sign up and be placed into a specific database."  Why would anyone vote for him? Its sad.  

I mean Trump literally said he could shoot someone and not lose supporters.  That shows nothing but his narcissistic attitude, how little he cares about his supporters and how uninformed he thinks his supporters are. 

Sanders would annihilate Trump in the GE.  With Clinton it would be closer, but she'd still win easily.  



Sharpryno said:

 know why he filed for bankruptcy...but to do it 4+ times is just sad that he had to resort to it.   

And is still worth upwards to 10 billion dollars?  Such is business.

Sanders wants healthcare for everyone with no ridiculous deductibles or insurance companies who solely exists to but profit above people.  Even your employer would pay less.  Sanders also understands Big Pharma is ripping people off in this country and will end it.   Cheaper education, investing heavily in better infrastructure, 90 days of paid family leave to be with your newbown, breaking up the banks that are too big to fail, taxing wallstreet (who taxpayers bailed out in 08' and have gotten nothing back from them) as well as preventing the US from deploying ground troops.  
Such crazy ideas man...Your fellow countrymen should help each other out.  No one should have to go into debt for needing cancer treatments, absolutely no one.  If you think any of those is impossible or not useful,  then you are part of the problem. 

You have Sanders who has been saying the same thing for decades.  Amazing how the things he preached against have came true and screwed our society (corporte power over government).   Clinton or Sanders will be the next president; that is simply a given.  

 

Just because he's been "saying the same thing" for decades does not mean that his ideas aren't wrong.  The manner in which he is explaining his ability to pay for everything essentially revolves around the notion that "He's going to close all those tax loop holes" and make billionaires pay all the money they are stealing.   I'm sure he'll find the way that every other politician has failed to find!

Sanders sounds just like every other politician before him.  Huge promises.....minimal payout.  Period.  



What's wrong with working with some of the tech giants to restrict terrorists form of communication?
That is not how the internet works, you cannot just pick and chose and there are plenty of ways around DNS blocking.  He hasn't a clue as to how the internet works and thinks America owns it for some ignorant reason.  

He never said anything specific such as DNS blocking.  It's most certainly plausible to shutdown a vast majority of the internet of problematic locations (Say Syria) and isolate the remaining requests from satellite  sources.  Just because you herp derp around on a computer doesn't make you some savant.


Nobody in the US should be basing our political decisions based on what the 'rest of the world' wants us to select
When we have clowns like Trump and Palin making headlines, the rest of the world just sees us the strerotype "dumb American."  At least they believe Obama is a well-spoken and intelligent leader even when half of our country doesn't because the stereotype is someone true...

Yes, because Obama is so highly respected globally.  *Sarcasm*   Russia straight up seized a significant piece of soverign land with not so much as a single concern. China continues island building and expanding territory.  That's complete disrespect among Super Powers.   The world's opinion does not matter,  the world would just as soon see the United States turn into a third world country.    Why is that so hard to understand?    

Trump is fine (High estimated IQ)  and dumbs down his public appearances for the general public (Hence the Palin support).  He would easily get along with world leaders and demand respect.   Watch Trump in 2012     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzoqTiTimPA


He's not a scientist, why would you care about his opinion on something so conroversial?
CO2 emissions are at an all time high.  If we care about the planet we will lower them through renewable energy housing and infrastrucutre.  Something Trump has never talked about.  Hell, he probably wants more government welfare and subsidies to go to the Oil companies.  

And AGW theory is still isn't completely proven and still with  flaws.  When the current President of the United States declares it the greatest threat for the future in the entire world on science and scientific models that are anything but resolved is completely hilarious and undermines the progress this country could be capable of making.


Trump paraphrased: "I would want all Muslims to register and sign up and be placed into a specific database."  Why would anyone vote for him? Its sad.  

 US Citizens are in databases already?  Hell, Obama re-upped the Bush Patriot act and expanded it.   What's your point?  The statement is moot because we're all being tracked currently.

I mean Trump literally said he could shoot someone and not lose supporters.  That shows nothing but his narcissistic attitude, how little he cares about his supporters and how uninformed he thinks his supporters are. 

 He was speaking at a campaign rally,  to a crowd of his supporters and eluding to how rabid,great and devoted his supporters were.  Read less Huffington Post and stop looking for reasons to be outraged.   I'm more concerned that Sanders can't even control his own campaign rally, or is a card carrying member of the socialist party.

Sanders would annihilate Trump in the GE.  With Clinton it would be closer, but she'd still win easily.  

Wayyyyyy too early to establish GE numbers.

Sanders hasn't been treated like a real candidate yet, once he gets forced to explain how he will pay for all of his plans and gets identified for the socialist that he is,  we will see where his poll numbers fall.  Clinton is 100% going to get the nomination unless her scandals catch up to her and she is neck and neck in most polls against Trump.

 





Rpruett said:

Firstly,  no one said that Trump was going to come in and strong arm himself around and get his way.  That goes against the entire foundation of how this country was setup.   His private sector experience will pay great dividends when pushing the direction this country moves forward in though.  It's almost laughable that you dismiss something so large.

Exactly what has Trump done in the private sector that will mean anything in the public.  Exactly how will he suddenly get the votes to push anything if he cannot garner the votes in his own party.  In the private sector your money is the big dog but in the public its your connections.  Without those connections and votes, it matter little what Trump has accomplished in the private sector.  Lets take one of his statements when asked about all the Bankruptcy he filed, "I never went bankrupt".  Is that the type of attitude you want from someone one who will be running the country.  

And again, Trump has built upwards to a 10 billion dollar global enterprise, spanning a wide variety of countries, cultures.  He has clearly proven that he has the skillset with making deals, getting along with diverse personalities and coming out on top of those interactions.  It's simply put,  that simple.  You're so wound up with his 'media' appearance that you can't see the forest through the trees.  His campaign alone is a complete reference on his political skills, he's beating every establishment backed candidate on a shoe string budget while being simultaneously attacked from all over the place.  There is plenty of Trump content that shows him in more formal situations and he handles them very well and with tact.  

If you believe that running a company and making deals when you are in a position of power is the same as making deals with Republicans and Democrats then you have no clue how politics work.  Just the way that Trump conducts himself politically now means he will have a hard time getting anything done  He might win the votes to get the primary election but he probably will burn a whole lot of bridges doing so. 

You are under the illusion that just because Obama wanted to do something that everyone would just fall in line with his wishes.  The simple take away here is that Obama was dividing Ds and Rs to level that Rs almost entirely refused to work with him.   That is a poor president.  A quality president finds ways to reach positive middle grounds between the two sides.  

Your under the illusion just because Trump has made billions of dollars in the private sector that means he is qualified to run the country.  For some reason you believe the way Trump runs his businesses that it translate to creating a budget that will work.  Actually exactly what is stance on improving the ecomny.  Have fun finding that out since he has none.  Not once has he 

I not sure if you actually paid any attention to Obama term in office especially the first but it was not Obama dividing Ds and Rs.  There are way to many times that Obama has sided with something Republicans wanted and because Obama either endorsed it, approved of it or voted for it they decided to vote against it.  There was no dividing Republicans from Obama, it was just plan politics where they wanted him out of office and was willing to do just about anything they could to do it.

 Trump has the highest poll numbers and advantage over his opponents of any candidate in either party.   He's got plenty of support among his party and you're delusional for believing otherwise. Trump is a businessman and knows how to reach mutually beneficial (See Positive outcomes) for whomever he is representing.  

Not sure where you are getting your info from but Trump does not have the higest poll numbers against either Democrate.  I have to ask the questioon if yu are actually paying any attention to the Republican party to even make the statement you made.





It is quite sad that it has come to this... It looks impossible that any of the remaining republicans can defeat trump... Hopefully the general election population will do a better job. As someone that tends to vote republican more then democrat, I will certainly be fully on board for the democrats if trump is the republican nomine. I honestly have a hard time thinking of somebody I would want to be president less than trump...



After today's results on Super Tuesday I think Ted Cruz could nick Trump's campaign but he's still deferring the inevitable ...

It's funny how Rubio supporters ask Cruz to submit to them when their representative is even weaker, it should be the other way around ...

The strong must rule over the weak and that is how it's always been ...