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Ljink96 said:
Once things get down to the nitty gritty, America will hopefully snap out of it and end the ride. It's sad as hell when you're Republican front runner is Donald Trump. Business man, sure. President...uh..no. Most presidents we have seen, can tame their tongue and be wise to speak when appropriate and listen. He does too much speaking and too little listening, that's a recipe for a bona fide idiot. Why is he always in the news? He insults everyone he comes in contact with and he's fake as heck. You thought Obama was terrible...you thought Bush was terrible...just wait for Trump. He'll show us real terror.

You don't build a multi-billion dollar empire without being able to get along and compromise with  a wide group of people.  I really can't put it any simpler than that.   You think Trump will be terrible because you're buying his shtick hook, line and sinker.  You think he's just some blowhard reality TV show star.  He's a smart ivy league educated man who is essentially running an incredibly low budget campaign and completely destroying his competitors in the process.  

He's always in the news because he wants to always be in the news.  It's called playing to win the game.  He's out polticianing the politicians.  

 

Obama had zero credentials for his presidency.  Zero.   Just like Bush,  Bush had zero credentials other than "My Dad was pres!".   Trump will be way better than both of them.  



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Soundwave said:
Rpruett said:
barneystinson69 said:

He will certainly win the republican nomination, but he won't be president. Hillary is certainly a better canidate, and unlike trump, has experience in politics...

*Certainly* ?   Define what makes her a better candidate.  Zero private sector experience. She was given her head start in politics because of who she was sleeping with.  She's not proven to be particularly mentally gifted (Failed her bar exam at first pass) .  Serious questions on her judgement (Libya among other things), serious questions on her character (Outright lies "I was under Sniper Fire"), serious questions on her consistency (Anti Gay marriage, Pro Gay marriage). 

"Experience in politics" means exactly what?   The foundation of this country were people who worked within the private sector and weren't career politicians, they had to establish themselves in their own right and then they went into politics for the good of the country.  They had to live within the very same environment that they claimed to represent.  

He's polling ahead of Hillary currently and that's without any form of 1 on 1 debate.  

 

lol at Trump living in the same environment he represents. Don't think he's ever lived a day in his life like an average American does. 

I'm not saying he isn't ridiculously wealthy (He is).  I'm saying that he actually understands how the private sector works.  He employs 10,000 people.  He knows what factors into his hiring decisions.  He's got a pulse on where the country is at far better than any politician who is collecting pay checks from the government.  





Rpruett said:
Ljink96 said:
Once things get down to the nitty gritty, America will hopefully snap out of it and end the ride. It's sad as hell when you're Republican front runner is Donald Trump. Business man, sure. President...uh..no. Most presidents we have seen, can tame their tongue and be wise to speak when appropriate and listen. He does too much speaking and too little listening, that's a recipe for a bona fide idiot. Why is he always in the news? He insults everyone he comes in contact with and he's fake as heck. You thought Obama was terrible...you thought Bush was terrible...just wait for Trump. He'll show us real terror.

You don't build a multi-billion dollar empire without being able to get along and compromise with  a wide group of people.  I really can't put it any simpler than that.   You think Trump will be terrible because you're buying his shtick hook, line and sinker.  You think he's just some blowhard reality TV show star.  He's a smart ivy league educated man who is essentially running an incredibly low budget campaign and completely destroying his competitors in the process.  

He's always in the news because he wants to always be in the news.  It's called playing to win the game.  He's out polticianing the politicians.  

 

Obama had zero credentials for his presidency.  Zero.   Just like Bush,  Bush had zero credentials other than "My Dad was pres!".   Trump will be way better than both of them.  

 

I actually think Trump is actually fairly liberal. He's stated his positions before and they are in fact quite liberal. He's not very religious either (so lol at him playing religious coservatives like a deck of cards).

He's a show man though, and he understands TV, so he knows how to whip guillable people into a frenzy. 

Honestly there are no credentials for being president. Other than maybe vice president. To be fair to Hilary she probably is more qualified than anyone having been the wife of a sitting president for 8 years, she knows how the system works. There is no job remotely like being president of the United States. They all learn on the fly. 

Business world is easy to bring people together because there's a combining, overriding mutual force in business called -- gettin' paid. There's self interest involved. It doesn't work like that in politics, in politics everyone is trying to score points at your expense. 



Soundwave said:
Rpruett said:
Fei-Hung said:
curl-6 said:
iceland said:
Republican party is going to be dead on arrival this election. When people have a choice of Trump VS Hillary/Bernie they're going to vote Democrat and polls have shown that. Trump has a lot of press and media coverage on top of already being famous, yet the people still picked Bernie over him. lol

I wouldn't be so sure.

Trump seems to have massive appeal to the rather large "they took our jobs/I'm not racist, but..." demographic. The sort of people who say his political incorrectness is "refreshing" because he voices publically the beliefs they keep to themselves for fear of being criticised 

 

I fear for the world of he wins. 

Why?  

He was clearly against the entire Iraq occupation.  He publicly has stated he would let Russia handle ISIS.   Conversely,  both Bush's led us into long wars with Iraq and the Middle East.  Obama has bombed more countries than Bush did.  He claimed to be anti-miltiary intervention, but he has clearly proven otherwise.

Trump is mostly an isolationist who wants to make America and only America better.   

He's been all over the map. First he says US will stay out of it, then it's bomb ISIS, then it's let Russia deal with it, then its Russia is getting too powerful, blah, blah, blah. 

 

He's been pretty consistent with the notion that they need to eradicate ISIS for the good of the world (but that's all the intervention he wants to take).  He was posed the question if Russia wanted to go in and take care of them would he be opposed and he shocked people by saying essentially that he would be fine with Russia doing it and that he would get along with Putin.





Rpruett said:
Soundwave said:

He's been all over the map. First he says US will stay out of it, then it's bomb ISIS, then it's let Russia deal with it, then its Russia is getting too powerful, blah, blah, blah. 

 

He's been pretty consistent with the notion that they need to eradicate ISIS for the good of the world (but that's all the intervention he wants to take).  He was posed the question if Russia wanted to go in and take care of them would he be opposed and he shocked people by saying essentially that he would be fine with Russia doing it and that he would get along with Putin.



US knows damn well that Saudis basically fund ISIS and the powers that be are OK with that. They serve a purpose of being a bogey-man, so there's no rush to eradicate them even from the Russians. 

ISIS is a tiny fighting force, Ethopia has a freaking larger standing army, any one of these world powers could wipe them off the planet overnight if they really wanted to. 



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In fact out of all the realistically viable candidates I would go for Trump since he somewhat appeases my economic stance ...

I am personally content with the personal rights I have now and most likely will if Trump were elected ...



Soundwave said:
Rpruett said:
Ljink96 said:
Once things get down to the nitty gritty, America will hopefully snap out of it and end the ride. It's sad as hell when you're Republican front runner is Donald Trump. Business man, sure. President...uh..no. Most presidents we have seen, can tame their tongue and be wise to speak when appropriate and listen. He does too much speaking and too little listening, that's a recipe for a bona fide idiot. Why is he always in the news? He insults everyone he comes in contact with and he's fake as heck. You thought Obama was terrible...you thought Bush was terrible...just wait for Trump. He'll show us real terror.

You don't build a multi-billion dollar empire without being able to get along and compromise with  a wide group of people.  I really can't put it any simpler than that.   You think Trump will be terrible because you're buying his shtick hook, line and sinker.  You think he's just some blowhard reality TV show star.  He's a smart ivy league educated man who is essentially running an incredibly low budget campaign and completely destroying his competitors in the process.  

He's always in the news because he wants to always be in the news.  It's called playing to win the game.  He's out polticianing the politicians.  

 

Obama had zero credentials for his presidency.  Zero.   Just like Bush,  Bush had zero credentials other than "My Dad was pres!".   Trump will be way better than both of them.  

 

I actually think Trump is actually fairly liberal. He's stated his positions before and they are in fact quite liberal. He's not very religious either (so lol at him playing religious coservatives like a deck of cards).

He's a show man though, and he understands TV, so he knows how to whip guillable people into a frenzy. 

Honestly there are no credentials for being president. There is no job remotely like being president of the United States. They all learn on the fly. 

Business world is easy to bring people together because there's a combining, overriding mutual force in business called -- gettin' paid. There's self interest involved. It doesn't work like that in politics. 

I don't believe he's liberal,  centrist - independent would be far closer (He's been a registered Republican since 88').   I believe that's why he would be a great choice.  He's not a divider (Obama has been a divider,  Cruz would be a divider too for example).

There isn't credentials for being president, but if there was any job on the planet that compares the most?  It probably would be the role in which Trump sits.  A multi-national, multi-billion, global conglomerate of businesses.   

 

Business world is easy to bring people together because there's a combining, overriding mutual force in business called -- gettin' paid. There's self interest involved. It doesn't work like that in politics. 


If you go a step more abstract,  that's exactly what politics are.  Gettin' paid is exactly the same as (Gettin' something that I want (Military support,  Cheap Oil, strategic help,  10 Battleships, Nuclear energy, etc, etc).   The manner in which you need to achieve that balance or agreement may differ, but the core concept remains the same and people are people.   You sell people, not ideas.  





Rpruett said:
Soundwave said:

 

I actually think Trump is actually fairly liberal. He's stated his positions before and they are in fact quite liberal. He's not very religious either (so lol at him playing religious coservatives like a deck of cards).

He's a show man though, and he understands TV, so he knows how to whip guillable people into a frenzy. 

Honestly there are no credentials for being president. There is no job remotely like being president of the United States. They all learn on the fly. 

Business world is easy to bring people together because there's a combining, overriding mutual force in business called -- gettin' paid. There's self interest involved. It doesn't work like that in politics. 

I don't believe he's liberal,  centrist - independent would be far closer (He's been a registered Republican since 88').   I believe that's why he would be a great choice.  He's not a divider (Obama has been a divider,  Cruz would be a divider too for example).

There isn't credentials for being president, but if there was any job on the planet that compares the most?  It probably would be the role in which Trump sits.  A multi-national, multi-billion, global conglomerate of businesses.   

 

Business world is easy to bring people together because there's a combining, overriding mutual force in business called -- gettin' paid. There's self interest involved. It doesn't work like that in politics. 


If you go a step more abstract,  that's exactly what politics are.  Gettin' paid is exactly the same as (Gettin' something that I want (Military support,  Cheap Oil, strategic help,  10 Battleships, Nuclear energy, etc, etc).   The manner in which you need to achieve that balance or agreement may differ, but the core concept remains the same and people are people.   You sell people, not ideas.  



 

Every politician is a divider and a unifier, you think everyone likes Clinton or Bush or even Reagan? Obama will be well thought of after his presidency because he's likable and nothing really major happened under his presidency. Most presidents are more fondly thought of post-presidency. 

And no being president is nothing like running a corporation. It would be much, much easier if it was like running a corporation. 

You don't sell anything to politics, politicans are on "their side" and that means they do everything they can to stop/derail the other side. That's the name of the game. 

Republicans have opposed positions from Obama that they supported like 10 years prior just because ... they can't be seen approving anything Obama. There's no arguing or rationalizing with people in politics in a lot of ways because they have their position (left or right) and they are never going to compromise on it. 

There's no "oh gee, you said that so eloquently, now I'm going to support your position".

The country changes from changing demographics and changing attitudes from the general public (ie: marijunana and gay marriage ... most Americans are more liberal on these issues today than 10-15 years ago, probably because a lot of the people against it probably also were old farts that died). But that isn't really a change due to any politican.  



Bernie can stop Trump.



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KungKras said:
Bernie can stop Trump.

Hilary will probably win in a general election too. If she can win Florida due to its high Latino population and hold steady in most other Democratic strong holds, she basically wins the White House. 

It would be very hard for Trump to make up electoral votes elsewhere.