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Slimebeast said:
Soundwave said:
Slimebeast said:

No, I'm just saying that casting modern day Egyptians isn't the obvious solution.

I think they should deliberately choose among Hollywood actors that have the right, authentic appearance - among Arab, Jewish, Latino and mixed black/white actors and among the few white that have a similar appearance.



 

Look at all the diversity here, no problems here ... 

And lol no Arab actor is getting cast in anything major unless he's playing a terrorist. 

lol I bet someone made that table to show how unfair the casting was between whites and minorities.

"Egyptian thief" and "Egyptian lower class civilian", I lol'd so hard.

(obviously that table is cherry picked and doesn't represent Hollywood movies in general)

Having a "token black person" in a movie isn't exactly the massive accomplishment you think it is. 



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Soundwave said:
Slimebeast said:
Soundwave said:

 

Look at all the diversity here, no problems here ... 

And lol no Arab actor is getting cast in anything major unless he's playing a terrorist. 

lol I bet someone made that table to show how unfair the casting was between whites and minorities.

"Egyptian thief" and "Egyptian lower class civilian", I lol'd so hard.

(obviously that table is cherry picked and doesn't represent Hollywood movies in general)

Having a "token black person" in a movie isn't exactly the massive accomplishment you think it is. 

I didn't claim it was. Usually he is there just to fulfill the demand and nothing more. Filmmakers put him there so they can deflect accusations of excluding minority groups, or when they believe that one token black guy will be just enough to make minorities feel more included.

The truth is that black people are overrepresented in TV series and movies. You can discuss the value of their roles, but in raw numbers they make up more than the 13% they make up of the US population.

 

 





You kids don't get it, do you? The point IS to be unbiased. So why ONLY nominate white actors? Look at the primary movies: The Martian, Steve Jobs (like that movie hasn't already been made 5 times already), The Revenant, Mad Max, Carol (who's even heard of that?) and The Hateful Eight even has a few... I can't think of them all off the top of my head but, the point is that plenty of these aren't Oscar material. I don't even know how Revenant made the cut, since its wide release didn't even happen till 2016.

There are several dramas and documentaries, primarily featuring an African American cast, but the Academy CHOSE to ignore them. See? THAT is the problem. They CHOSE not to pick them. Martian gets nominated... but not Concussion, Creed, Beasts of No Nation or Chi-raq...in ANY categories. It's like they INTENTIONALLY left black people out. It's bizarre and comes off a bit segregationist, honestly.

I'm just trying to get you guys to see the other side of this. It's not like this boycott is happening for no reason.



Slimebeast said:
Soundwave said:
Slimebeast said:
Soundwave said:

 

Look at all the diversity here, no problems here ... 

And lol no Arab actor is getting cast in anything major unless he's playing a terrorist. 

lol I bet someone made that table to show how unfair the casting was between whites and minorities.

"Egyptian thief" and "Egyptian lower class civilian", I lol'd so hard.

(obviously that table is cherry picked and doesn't represent Hollywood movies in general)

Having a "token black person" in a movie isn't exactly the massive accomplishment you think it is. 

I didn't claim it was. Usually he is there just to fulfill the demand and nothing more. Filmmakers put him there so they can deflect accusations of excluding minority groups, or when they believe that one token black guy will be just enough to make minorities feel more included.

The truth is that black people are overrepresented in TV series and movies. You can discuss the value of their roles, but in raw numbers they make up more than the 13% they make up of the US population.

 

 



 

I actually don't think they over-represented in TV/movies at all. It's more like 90-95% white actors and 5-10% everyone else, so that does not line up with demographics at all. Latinos get screwed in particular. Asians barely registers, Indians only show up as taxi drivers. Anyone Arab is a terrorist or involved in a story centering around terrorism. 



To me it's funny that on black series there isn't a single white guy (not even in irrelevant roles) and that is ok but other series need to have black/asian/etc or they are unfair, biased, etc.



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LipeJJ said:
Bandorr said:
LipeJJ said:
So, he's implying that they should nominate people not by their merit, but based on ethnic/cultural diversity?

Or the did I read it wrong?

I wonder the same thing. I can't tell if it is being implied that the "committee" is racist, or if they should be picking people based on things OTHER than their acting skill.

I assumed the first thing, but seeing as how the committee has over 6000 members it seems hard to call them ALL racist.

I'm seriously considering it's a mix of both. 



They're trying to see which one sticks and then go with it, lol.





I don't think the Academy is overtly racist, but why have 97% of your membership be white males? I mean yeah it's fairly obvious to slant things a certain way, if the academy was 97% black women, probably the films getting nominated would be a little different.

There's nothing wrong with evening out the memebership to be more reflective of the actual movie going audience.

The Academy rules should change in general IMO, first off, movie screeners should be out. You go to watch all the nominated movies at the theater or you can't be a member. In many of these cases we don't even know if the Academy members even watch all the films (they probably don't).



SpokenTruth said:
DonFerrari said:
To me it's funny that on black series there isn't a single white guy (not even in irrelevant roles) and that is ok but other series need to have black/asian/etc or they are unfair, biased, etc.

Might want to ask why they need specific black "insert anything" to begin with.  When you don't get invited to the club, you often make your own.

Could be, but we majorly don't mind when they do, but if anyone else do we freak out



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
SpokenTruth said:
DonFerrari said:
To me it's funny that on black series there isn't a single white guy (not even in irrelevant roles) and that is ok but other series need to have black/asian/etc or they are unfair, biased, etc.

Might want to ask why they need specific black "insert anything" to begin with.  When you don't get invited to the club, you often make your own.

Could be, but we majorly don't mind when they do, but if anyone else do we freak out

Who's "we"? Didn't you say you were like 3/4 black?



Soundwave said:
DonFerrari said:
SpokenTruth said:

Might want to ask why they need specific black "insert anything" to begin with.  When you don't get invited to the club, you often make your own.

Could be, but we majorly don't mind when they do, but if anyone else do we freak out

Who's "we"? Didn't you say you were like 3/4 black?

We people in general... by the way I love the balck series that came to brazil like fresh prince, my wife and kids, every body hate chris, arnold.... very good comedies



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."