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Aeolus451 said:
zorg1000 said:

 

U didn't answer my question........

 


I just didn't answer in the way you wanted. Read it again.

 


No u didn't answer anything. All u said is that it's obvious and there are multiple ways. What are these multiple ways? U didn't list any of them. And then u said how it can't be done, but that's not the same as how it can be done.

So I'll ask again, how do we accomplish this?



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There doesn't need to be any pressure on Nintendo to change.

They've had their feet put to the fire enough this generation and have lost huge, massive chunks of their marketshare and suffered their worst selling home console by a large margin ever on top of seeing mobile games eat away at their portable market.

I think Nintendo got the hint, it's just a matter of how they execute from here on out. They'll probably need a little luck too.



zorg1000 said:
Aeolus451 said:

 


I just didn't answer in the way you wanted. Read it again.

 


No u didn't answer anything. All u said is that it's obvious and there are multiple ways. What are these multiple ways? U didn't list any of them. And then u said how it can't be done, but that's not the same as how it can be done.

So I'll ask again, how do we accomplish this?

If someone says it's obvious then they think that you should be able to get it by yourself. With you understanding what is obvious then the "multiple ways in which someone could get nintendo to be better to it's consumers" and "if nintendo is supported regardless then why it can't be done" makes sense. 



Soundwave said:
There doesn't need to be any pressure on Nintendo to change.

They've had their feet put to the fire enough this generation and have lost huge, massive chunks of their marketshare and suffered their worst selling home console by a large margin ever on top of seeing mobile games eat away at their portable market.

I think Nintendo got the hint, it's just a matter of how they execute from here on out. They'll probably need a little luck too.

 


Well, do you think that nintendo is gonna support the wii u with some decent games in it's last years versus just saving those games for the wii u's replacement?



Aeolus451 said:
zorg1000 said:
Aeolus451 said:

 


I just didn't answer in the way you wanted. Read it again.

 


No u didn't answer anything. All u said is that it's obvious and there are multiple ways. What are these multiple ways? U didn't list any of them. And then u said how it can't be done, but that's not the same as how it can be done.

So I'll ask again, how do we accomplish this?

If someone says it's obvious then they think that you should be able to get it by yourself. With you understanding what is obvious then the "multiple ways in which someone could get nintendo to be better to it's consumers" and "if nintendo is supported regardless then why it can't be done" makes sense. 

When in the world has "it's obvious" ever been considered an acceptable answer to a question?

Dude just answer the question, what are the multiple obvious things we can do as consumers that will cause Nintendo to support their consoles for more 4 years?

All u have said is "stop buying Nintendo products", if people stop buying Nintendo products than why would Nintendo continue to support said products? It makes no sense.



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Wyrdness said:
zippy said:

Finally, somebody else gets it. Iwata only mentioned NX to put an immediate stop to doom mongers that would think Nintendo are going moble only or third party. 

 



 

NX was hinted at before even then back in 2014's investor's meeting in February.

Yes, but that was in the context of the fact that they are always developing hardware. They may as well have been saying that the sky is blue.

As Iwata said at the Q&A after the 74th fiscal term:

"Once we launch a new platform, we naturally start to prepare for the next one. As it takes several years to develop a single platform, if you ask us whether we are preparing for our next system, then the correct response will be that we are always developing new hardware."

He went on to say:
"...we are preparing for our next hardware system, and in fact, we already have a clear idea to some extent about the direction our next hardware is going to take."

'Clear idea' and 'to some extent' seem to contradict one another, but maybe that's the translation. Whatever, back on topic, and with regards to the 2016 or 2017 launch debate, it may be a good idea to remind ourselves of what Iwata said about this, at the same meeting:

"I of course believe that launching new hardware will not produce good results unless we first make sure that those who have already purchased our platforms are satisfied."

So there you have it. The NX (assuming it is meant to replace existing platforms) will launch once the owners of existing platforms are satisfied. Although how you would quantify the satisfaction of said platform owners and use it as a gauge for when to release new hardware I don't know.





NX should just end the whole "generation" nonsense. It's stupid to reset your market share to 0 every 5-6 years.

Just make a continually evolving service as the central pillar of the platform and let people upgrade with options over the years on their OWN schedule.

My schedule for wanting/needing a new piece of system is different from someone else's, everyone is different. The game industry should become more flexible like STEAM, iOS, Android, etc. are.

Some people like a new iPhone every 1-2 years, some people use the same smart phone for 4-5 years without complaint.

Look at all this bickering over stupid shit like "I need 5 years! I prefer 4" ... who cares. Nintendo's goal should just to get people into the NX ecosystem in whatever hardware form factor suits that person the best and then sell them freaking games. Remember that? Selling games? Isn't that the damn point? 

The industry is not 90% 7-14 year old boys anymore reliant on mom/dad/saving money in a piggy back to afford a video game; we don't need to be talked down to and told when to upgrade, if game consoles aren't toys anymore, then stop treating us like fucking toy buyers. 

That's what I would like to see. End of all this nonsense and introduce a more democratic model that gives the consumer a say in their own freaking entertainment. What's Nintendo clinging to the old model for anyway? They have basically nothing left in the console market ... a puny little 10 million base of buyers, so why cling to an outdated way of offering hardware to consumers when it doesn't even work for you anymore in the first place. 



Nintendo appear to have been ignoring the whole "generation" nonsense for years, but everyone has been constrained to the 4-5 year timeframe because of development times. Sony and MS have synced their launches because competition. If the NX takes a more flexible form, I'd be pleased, too.



I agree with you, OP.

I just wish this wasn't even a topic of discussion. I was tired of reading about this six months ago.



Hedra42 said:

Nintendo appear to have been ignoring the whole "generation" nonsense for years. If the NX takes that form, I'd be pleased, too.

 


No they aren't ignoring the "generation" nonsense at least not with the Wii U, they still basically cling to the same formula of the 1980s which is you pay them basically $300 (cost adjusted, give or take) and they give you a system for 5-6 years, that they really will only support for 4 years because it will take them 1-2 years to prep for the next system. 

That is nothing like the model that STEAM or Apple or Android use. 

If I feel like upgrading my iPhone, I can do so when I want. Because that system offers me choice. 

I'm a STEAM member. I can upgrade my PC setup any time I want to be able to enjoy more games or the same games with better fidelity and game play when ever I wish. My existing STEAM library stays with me. 

*I* have the choice in those setups. In the console setup I'm treated like I'm still 8-years-old and need to wait 5-6 years because mom/dad certainly be happy buying me a new system. 

I'm tired of that whole stupid industry norm to be honest. Change it up Nintendo, it's not like the console industry is working out for you at all anyway, so what really do you have to lose at this point?