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barneystinson69 said:

What conservative govenment? Sweden has had the same government for over 100 years! And they're socialist! My god! And as for Sweden being the rape capital, it doesn't matter! Rape is soaring in the country, and the majority of it is coming from muslums! You keep sticking to little things and then trying to say that's truth! Most of us know better? About what! How the UN now predict's you'll be 3rd world by 2030: http://en.europenews.dk/Sweden-to-become-a-Third-World-Country-by-2030-according-to-UN-128028.html

 

Maybe you really don't realize what is happening yet. But you'll see soon enough. You keep defending these people, when they contribute nothing to you! God help Sweden...

 

The previous government (which was in power for two terms) was hardly "socialist". That information is freely available, why couldn't you find it?

Also, that article is biased and has a dreadfully sensationalist headline. Even with the spin the "journalist" put on the information presented you can not defend that ridiculous title (clearly the only part that you read) and by extension your absurd claim that Sweden is becoming a third world nation. KungKras is correct in the assertion that Sweden is becoming less competitive than its neighbours partly due to the education reforms instituted by the previous government.

If you took the time to find better (IE. less biased, less sensationalist) articles and actually read the sources provided you could probably make a better argument. I say this because I myself am a moderately conservative individual (especially regarding immigration) and I find the situation in Sweden concerning as well as your attempts at debate.



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barneystinson69 said:

 

What conservative govenment? Sweden has had the same government for over 100 years! And they're socialist! My god! And as for Sweden being the rape capital, it doesn't matter! Rape is soaring in the country, and the majority of it is coming from muslums! You keep sticking to little things and then trying to say that's truth! Most of us know better? About what! How the UN now predict's you'll be 3rd world by 2030: http://en.europenews.dk/Sweden-to-become-a-Third-World-Country-by-2030-according-to-UN-128028.html

 

Maybe you really don't realize what is happening yet. But you'll see soon enough. You keep defending these people, when they contribute nothing to you! God help Sweden...

https://translate.google.se/translate?hl=en&sl=sv&u=https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sveriges_statsminister&prev=search
Maybe you should look into the politics of a country when making such statements. Especially if you're discussing with someone from that country.

Don't get fooled by the label "Liberal party" in the government after the Palme government. Liberal doesn't mean what americans think it means.

15% of second generation muslims are religious, but I guess they could take over at any minute, lol. God is dead in Sweden. And soon Allah will be too.





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mornelithe said:
KungKras said:
 

I thought you jumped in to defend the guy that was saying that Sweden is a rape captial. Noone in sweden except SD sympathisers say that. And for good reason. Sorry if I got that wrong.

I was asking you if those were the points you were making, I wasn't saying those were your positions. If you want to discuss, I made a lot of points in my previous comment. I thought I made a pretty good case for my positions.

 



Well, I guess me replying to your replying to someone else is certainly confusing.  So, for that I do apologize.  I was merely attempting to draw you back into civil discussion over what is certainly an issue, by providing a video with actual evidence and a more civil tone.  I don't think it's as simple as spreading them out over X area, because for one, you'd be restricting their movement.  Ergo, if they wanted to group together (which many migrants do desire the comfort of those of their own culture or religious affiliation, NY's Polish, and Yiddish neighborhoods, for example), you can't just tell them no or you're walking into a whole other hill of beans(I'd start to be suspicious if I felt the Government was purposefully restricting individuals like me from living in/near each other).  For another, with the volume of people we're talking about here (and this is a broader issue than just refugees, btw) makes that rather difficult down the line.

As I indicated earlier, reformmation of Islam is absolutely integral to solving this issue.  It not only helps those traveling/living abroad, but increases the quality of life for those currently oppressed under these regimes.  Beyond that, I'm not entirely sure.

Thanks for that. I really prefer this kind of discussion. I think reformation of Islam is important too.

Yes it's not as easy as just forcing people to live where the government  wants them to live. The problem today is that immigrants concentrate in the cheapest neighbourhoods in cities leading to even cheaper rents, culture clashes poverty and crime. What makes the problem bigger is that certain communes don't accept refugees at all.

The solution is to make every commune responsible for taking in refugees. And most importantly built the refugee camps away from the big cities. There is only one point where refugees can't choose where to go, and that is when they are assigned a refugee camp to stay at. If you build many small camps in the smaller cities and also in the north of the country, people will tend to stay where the infrastructure is in place to help them. If they get a job, they're also less likely to move into the big cities. Their kids will still have to go to school because it's illegal to keep children from going to school. If they're in a place where there are no immigrant heavy neightbourhoods, the kids will all naturally mix with the population in school.

To get back to your reformation point. The best way to combat radical islam is to create ex-muslims or secular muslims. And even if we're doing a bad integration job at the moment, 15% of second generation musims aren't really religious. Imagine if we did a good job.





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Being here in Canada we took a rational policy of any families and mostly non Muslim Refugees from Syria.

Can anyone say, we abandoned our humanity?

So When I hear naive idealistic Swedes and Germans saying that reducing and controlling refugees is abandoning our humanity, I laugh that such well educated individuals can be so naive...

All I can say is these people are as delusional and idiotic as far right extremists and xenophobes.

 

Simply take in a smaller managebale group of people.

 

 



KungKras said:
barneystinson69 said:

 

What conservative govenment? Sweden has had the same government for over 100 years! And they're socialist! My god! And as for Sweden being the rape capital, it doesn't matter! Rape is soaring in the country, and the majority of it is coming from muslums! You keep sticking to little things and then trying to say that's truth! Most of us know better? About what! How the UN now predict's you'll be 3rd world by 2030: http://en.europenews.dk/Sweden-to-become-a-Third-World-Country-by-2030-according-to-UN-128028.html

 

Maybe you really don't realize what is happening yet. But you'll see soon enough. You keep defending these people, when they contribute nothing to you! God help Sweden...

https://translate.google.se/translate?hl=en&sl=sv&u=https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sveriges_statsminister&prev=search
Maybe you should look into the politics of a country when making such statements. Especially if you're discussing with someone from that country.

Don't get fooled by the label "Liberal party" in the government after the Palme government. Liberal doesn't mean what americans think it means.

15% of second generation muslims are religious, but I guess they could take over at any minute, lol. God is dead in Sweden. And soon Allah will be too.



 


Sure. Except for one fact, MOST SWEDISH MUSLUMS AREN'T SECOND GENERATION!!!! Do you realize that as ghetto's grow, integration will collapse? You'll see in 10-15 years. Islam will slowly take over Sweden. And as your women reproduce even less this generation, this process will speed up faster. Germany was finally smartening up and they closed their borders. But yours are wide open. But since you guys want this, choose your fate.

Also, I'd just like to know were exactly you got that 15% number. Thanks.



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barneystinson69 said:
KungKras said:

https://translate.google.se/translate?hl=en&sl=sv&u=https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sveriges_statsminister&prev=search
Maybe you should look into the politics of a country when making such statements. Especially if you're discussing with someone from that country.

Don't get fooled by the label "Liberal party" in the government after the Palme government. Liberal doesn't mean what americans think it means.

15% of second generation muslims are religious, but I guess they could take over at any minute, lol. God is dead in Sweden. And soon Allah will be too.



 


Sure. Except for one fact, MOST SWEDISH MUSLUMS AREN'T SECOND GENERATION!!!! Do you realize that as ghetto's grow, integration will collapse? You'll see in 10-15 years. Islam will slowly take over Sweden. And as your women reproduce even less this generation, this process will speed up faster. Germany was finally smartening up and they closed their borders. But yours are wide open. But since you guys want this, choose your fate.

Also, I'd just like to know were exactly you got that 15% number. Thanks.

It's in demography section of the Islam in sweden wikipedia article. The same article also says that only about 25000 muslims are devout enough to even pray five times a day.

I simply disagree. There are tons of things we can do to keep ghettos from growing. Like spreading out new arrivals over the country as much as possible. Segregation needs to be fought hard against because it is a big problem.

Really? They will slowly start to take over how? Do you have any idea how long it would take for muslims to breed us out of existance even if 85% of every new generation didn't secularize? Conversion? Vitually non-existent. We've already shook off an as agressively proselytizing, immoral and controlling religion called christianity. And that religion had the advantage of holding our society in an iron grip for hundreds of years. And now you're telling me that another religion that forbids alcohol and bacon is gonna succeed where christianity failed? Not gonna happen.

What is going to happen is that we are going to be remembered by a lot of families as the place that took them in when they were escaping hell.It would be nice though if the US could stop messing up the middle east so these people didn't have to flee in the first place.



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KungKras said:
barneystinson69 said:

Sure. Except for one fact, MOST SWEDISH MUSLUMS AREN'T SECOND GENERATION!!!! Do you realize that as ghetto's grow, integration will collapse? You'll see in 10-15 years. Islam will slowly take over Sweden. And as your women reproduce even less this generation, this process will speed up faster. Germany was finally smartening up and they closed their borders. But yours are wide open. But since you guys want this, choose your fate.

Also, I'd just like to know were exactly you got that 15% number. Thanks.

It's in demography section of the Islam in sweden wikipedia article. The same article also says that only about 25000 muslims are devout enough to even pray five times a day.

I simply disagree. There are tons of things we can do to keep ghettos from growing. Like spreading out new arrivals over the country as much as possible. Segregation needs to be fought hard against because it is a big problem.

Really? They will slowly start to take over how? Do you have any idea how long it would take for muslims to breed us out of existance even if 85% of every new generation didn't secularize? Conversion? Vitually non-existent. We've already shook off an as agressively proselytizing, immoral and controlling religion called christianity. And that religion had the advantage of holding our society in an iron grip for hundreds of years. And now you're telling me that another religion that forbids alcohol and bacon is gonna succeed where christianity failed? Not gonna happen.

What is going to happen is that we are going to be remembered by a lot of families as the place that took them in when they were escaping hell.It would be nice though if the US could stop messing up the middle east so these people didn't have to flee in the first place.

Not that I agree or disagree, because I personally haven't looked deeply into this particular topic, however, I would caution anyone from using Wikipedia as a sole source of information.  There are very serious issues w/ that site, and more specifically it's staff who quite often edit pages in a not so ethical manner.  I only use Wikipedia for the source articles listed at the bottom.  It sucks not being able to trust these sites, but...when you can clearly see bias, misinformation or mischaracterization being supported and defended by the sites admin...it's time to ensure you're double-checking all the claims being made.





KungKras said:
barneystinson69 said:
KungKras said:

https://translate.google.se/translate?hl=en&sl=sv&u=https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sveriges_statsminister&prev=search
Maybe you should look into the politics of a country when making such statements. Especially if you're discussing with someone from that country.

Don't get fooled by the label "Liberal party" in the government after the Palme government. Liberal doesn't mean what americans think it means.

15% of second generation muslims are religious, but I guess they could take over at any minute, lol. God is dead in Sweden. And soon Allah will be too.



 


Sure. Except for one fact, MOST SWEDISH MUSLUMS AREN'T SECOND GENERATION!!!! Do you realize that as ghetto's grow, integration will collapse? You'll see in 10-15 years. Islam will slowly take over Sweden. And as your women reproduce even less this generation, this process will speed up faster. Germany was finally smartening up and they closed their borders. But yours are wide open. But since you guys want this, choose your fate.

Also, I'd just like to know were exactly you got that 15% number. Thanks.

It's in demography section of the Islam in sweden wikipedia article. The same article also says that only about 25000 muslims are devout enough to even pray five times a day.

I simply disagree. There are tons of things we can do to keep ghettos from growing. Like spreading out new arrivals over the country as much as possible. Segregation needs to be fought hard against because it is a big problem.

Really? They will slowly start to take over how? Do you have any idea how long it would take for muslims to breed us out of existance even if 85% of every new generation didn't secularize? Conversion? Vitually non-existent. We've already shook off an as agressively proselytizing, immoral and controlling religion called christianity. And that religion had the advantage of holding our society in an iron grip for hundreds of years. And now you're telling me that another religion that forbids alcohol and bacon is gonna succeed where christianity failed? Not gonna happen.

What is going to happen is that we are going to be remembered by a lot of families as the place that took them in when they were escaping hell.It would be nice though if the US could stop messing up the middle east so these people didn't have to flee in the first place.

Escaping what hell? The majority are coming from turkish camps, and many are adult men who don't bring family! Its BS! Its just a cheap way to immigrate and live off your system. 


http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/09/06/the-new-face-of-eu-immigration-is-young-fit-and-overwhelmingly-male/



Made a bet with LipeJJ and HylianYoshi that the XB1 will reach 30 million before Wii U reaches 15 million. Loser has to get avatar picked by winner for 6 months (or if I lose, either 6 months avatar control for both Lipe and Hylian, or my patrick avatar comes back forever).

Why cant progressives simply understand to take a smaller number of refugees, that can actually be helped.

If you invite to many, they all cannot be helped and you make the local populace angry and hostile.

Of course for progressives, such simple logic is beyond them.



lordmandeep said:
Why cant progressives simply understand to take a smaller number of refugees, that can actually be helped.

If you invite to many, they all cannot be helped and you make the local populace angry and hostile.

Of course for progressives, such simple logic is beyond them.

It's a new situation, some countries are learning on the fly. 

In general though it's important to realize these are human beings and if we are to project ourselves as a modern society, then we need to treat people in a humane and decent way. 

Yes sure, more restrictions may be neccessary to better screen people, and beyond that to better integrate them when they do arrive. 

But becoming a cold group "angry and hostile" xenophobic assholes isn't the answer either. The fact is the overwhelming majority of people immigrating are decent people.