Aura7541 said:
This is a strawman fallacy. The topic is about criticizing Islam and its religious texts. |
I'm open for fairness and facts, or is that to much to handle?
Aura7541 said:
This is a strawman fallacy. The topic is about criticizing Islam and its religious texts. |
I'm open for fairness and facts, or is that to much to handle?
deskpro2k3 said: I'm open for fairness and facts, or is that to much to handle? |
You need to stay on topic. That is how proper argumentation works. If you cannot address my argument directly, then your arguments are fallacious.
Aura7541 said:
You need to stay on topic. That is how proper argumentation works. If you cannot address my argument directly, then your arguments are fallacious. |
I did, did it upset you?
deskpro2k3 said:
I did, did it upset you? |
I'm sorry, but you have not stayed on topic. Nowhere in my argument did I mention Christianity. I made criticisms against Islam for promoting mistreatment and rape on women. Is there anything in my argument that you disagreed with? Was my interpretation of the passages incorrect?
Scisca said: The fact that the German national TV prepared a material on this topic but decided not to air it and instead to cover the story up is mindblowing. It goes to show just how brainwashed the West is. You are willingly lying about what's happening and doing nothing to stop your own women from getting raped in the name of "tolerance". Fuck such tolerance. I am even more disgusted, since the last two months German politicians have been interfering in our internal policy, attacking us and claiming that our democracy is in danger. They were even trying to order our President to veto certain bills threatening us with repercussions in the EU and the German President of the European Parliament said that the government that won the elections and got more MPs than any party ever before is committing a coup d'etat (wtf!?). And now we clearly see that it's democracy and freedom of speech in Germany that is threatened, since their government is censoring news that show the real side of their moronic policy. Moreover, they are forcing this policy on other countries.
Muslims (not Arabs) are bad by our standards, because Islam is savage and totally incompatible with our world, our values and way of life - be it Christian or secular ones. They just assaulted and raped dozens of women and guess what - it's allowed by Islam! Yup, for them it's not a sin, it's all fine and dandy. They have Hadiths and verses of the Qu'ran for such a situation that allow them to rape our women: "And all married women are forbidden unto you, save those captives whom your hand possess". It was given in the context of Muslims being hesitant about raping unbeliever women that they captured after battle, if their husbands still lived - Muhammad (or maybe it was the merciful Allah, lol) said it's fine to rape them. There's another one in which Muhammad says they should finish inside the captured women they rape, instead of pulling out not to get her pregnant. Islam allows them to rape women in Europe, and that's exactly what they are doing. They came here, they are spreading Islam, so they can rape women they capture - it's all perfectly fine for them. That's why it's happening everywhere and why it won't stop. They don't do this "because they are humans", but because Islam tells them they can do this. That's the problem with Islam and Muslims - if they follow that savage ideology, they are unacceptable in our Judeo-Christian world, they are a part of a savage hostile world. I'm not saying that no Christian ever does such bad things or all Muslims do this all the time, but when a Christian/European secular person does that, he does it against his religion/against our laws and he won't find any excuse for his actions and will be condemned and punished for doing so. On the other hand, Islam allows or sometimes even tells Muslims to act in such an evil way, and those Muslims who act normal (from our point of view) are actually ignoring or even violating Islam. That's a massive difference. |
This sums it up pretty well! Modern western ideologies and muslim ideologies are not compatible on many levels. The idea that you can smash the two together without conflict is absurd. I consider myself very liberal and tolerant but on some level the two do not mix well.
Aura7541 said:
I'm sorry, but you have not stayed on topic. Nowhere in my argument did I mention Christianity. I made criticisms against Islam for promoting mistreatment and rape on women. Is there anything in my argument that you disagreed with? Was my interpretation of the passages incorrect? |
Let me remind you, the thread topic is not about criticizing Islam. It's about 80 women reported sexual assaults and muggings by men on New Year's Eve.
So, if you want to talk about staying on topic, then don't dish out what you can't handle in return.
deskpro2k3 said:
Let me remind you, the thread topic is not about criticizing Islam. It's about 80 women reported sexual assaults and muggings by men on New Year's Eve. So, if you want to talk about staying on topic, then don't dish out what you can't handle in return. |
This is another fallacious argument because the merits of my argument are not dependent on whether my criticisms are 100% on topic with the thread. The merits are dependent on whether they're logically sound. The sexual assaults were the result from the Muslim men, so criticizing Islam is fair game.
I am willing to wait for you to actually respond to my criticisms of the religion. I am also willing to guide you along the way to encourage proper discussion.
Volterra_90 said: It's outstanding how Western media always does the same. When a crime is comited by a non-European white caucasian person, it's mandatory to state the race. Just in case there's not enough xenophobia. Let's promote it. Obviously, these people have to be condemned. This is a disgusting and unbelievable act. |
Inform does not equal Promote. I think in this case their possible place of origin is very important to the bigger debate about the immigrant influx.
Muda Muda Muda Muda Muda Muda!!!!
Aura7541 said:
This is another fallacious argument because the merits of my argument are not dependent on whether my criticisms are 100% on topic with the thread. The sexual assaults were the result from the Muslim men, so criticizing Islam is fair game. I am willing to wait for you to actually respond to my criticisms of the religion. I am also willing to guide you along the way to encourage proper discussion. |
You seem upset because the passage from the bible seem to treat women similar. As far as I'm concern I've already answered you, and I'm not going to elabarate it any simpliar. It's up to you if you want to accept it.
Let me hit with you some knowledge though. If you want to have a constuctive debate then it's imperative you know about both sides.
Anyways I'm done, I'm not even religous but I just wanted to shine some light and similarities on both sides.
Arminillo said:
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There are, sadly, an awful lot of men's violence against women in Europe. In my country, 800 women were murdered in the last 13 years by their couples. The number of assaults and male violence is... unbearable. When one case is shown on the Spanish media, it's common that when it's commited by a non-Spanish person, this is noted on the headline. It's not a racial problem, it's much more than that. I don't really get the need to note the "appearance" of the people, if it's not to promote xenophobia. You could say "Men commit mass sexual assault in Germany", and that's it. These people deserve all the punishment they could get, regardless of their race.