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o_O.Q said:

well maybe western countries should stop bombing their countries... perhaps if that stopped they'd stop fleeing to western countries to begin with
maybe this is karma for passively allowing governments to abuse other people constantly and now what goes around of course comes back around

 


you do realize the Syrians are fleeing other Muslims right? A group called ISIS right a bell?



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Scisca said:

The fact that the German national TV prepared a material on this topic but decided not to air it and instead to cover the story up is mindblowing. It goes to show just how brainwashed the West is. You are willingly lying about what's happening and doing nothing to stop your own women from getting raped in the name of "tolerance". Fuck such tolerance.

I am even more disgusted, since the last two months German politicians have been interfering in our internal policy, attacking us and claiming that our democracy is in danger. They were even trying to order our President to veto certain bills threatening us with repercussions in the EU and the German President of the European Parliament said that the government that won the elections and got more MPs than any party ever before is committing a coup d'etat (wtf!?). And now we clearly see that it's democracy and freedom of speech in Germany that is threatened, since their government is censoring news that show the real side of their moronic policy. Moreover, they are forcing this policy on other countries.

gintama said:
many Arabs live in Germany and in all Europe, I have never heard about a mass sexual assault before; anyone who does that, Arab or not, must be judged; but don't judge an entire race!! I am fed up about this, few "Muslims", or "Arabs" do something bad or wrong, then all Arabs and Muslims are bad!!
human nature is bad and do wrong things, Arabs, Europeans, Muslims, Christians.... do bad things because they are humans

Muslims (not Arabs) are bad by our standards, because Islam is savage and totally incompatible with our world, our values and way of life - be it Christian or secular ones. They just assaulted and raped dozens of women and guess what - it's allowed by Islam! Yup, for them it's not a sin, it's all fine and dandy. They have Hadiths and verses of the Qu'ran for such a situation that allow them to rape our women: "And all married women are forbidden unto you, save those captives whom your hand possess". It was given in the context of Muslims being hesitant about raping unbeliever women that they captured after battle, if their husbands still lived - Muhammad (or maybe it was the merciful Allah, lol) said it's fine to rape them.

For the sake of fairness, let's take into consideration the rest of that passage of the Quran shall we?

"And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess. It is a decree of Allah for you. Lawful unto you are all beyond those mentioned, so that ye seek them with your wealth in honest wedlock, not debauchery. And those of whom ye seek content (by marrying them), give unto them their portions as a duty. And there is no sin for you in what ye do by mutual agreement after the duty (hath been done). Lo! Allah is ever Knower, Wise."

And this is just one translation of the passage I've come across. There are others: https://www.comp.leeds.ac.uk/nora/html/4-24.html

The passage seems to be discussing marriage, not rape.



Aura7541 said:
 

And this was Merkel's response to what happened on New Years Eve.

Seriously, what does it take for her to acknowledge that she done f***ed up? -.-

 

that video where she said that is reportedly 4 years old.



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KLAMarine said:
Scisca said:

The fact that the German national TV prepared a material on this topic but decided not to air it and instead to cover the story up is mindblowing. It goes to show just how brainwashed the West is. You are willingly lying about what's happening and doing nothing to stop your own women from getting raped in the name of "tolerance". Fuck such tolerance.

I am even more disgusted, since the last two months German politicians have been interfering in our internal policy, attacking us and claiming that our democracy is in danger. They were even trying to order our President to veto certain bills threatening us with repercussions in the EU and the German President of the European Parliament said that the government that won the elections and got more MPs than any party ever before is committing a coup d'etat (wtf!?). And now we clearly see that it's democracy and freedom of speech in Germany that is threatened, since their government is censoring news that show the real side of their moronic policy. Moreover, they are forcing this policy on other countries.

gintama said:
many Arabs live in Germany and in all Europe, I have never heard about a mass sexual assault before; anyone who does that, Arab or not, must be judged; but don't judge an entire race!! I am fed up about this, few "Muslims", or "Arabs" do something bad or wrong, then all Arabs and Muslims are bad!!
human nature is bad and do wrong things, Arabs, Europeans, Muslims, Christians.... do bad things because they are humans

Muslims (not Arabs) are bad by our standards, because Islam is savage and totally incompatible with our world, our values and way of life - be it Christian or secular ones. They just assaulted and raped dozens of women and guess what - it's allowed by Islam! Yup, for them it's not a sin, it's all fine and dandy. They have Hadiths and verses of the Qu'ran for such a situation that allow them to rape our women: "And all married women are forbidden unto you, save those captives whom your hand possess". It was given in the context of Muslims being hesitant about raping unbeliever women that they captured after battle, if their husbands still lived - Muhammad (or maybe it was the merciful Allah, lol) said it's fine to rape them.

For the sake of fairness, let's take into consideration the rest of that passage of the Quran shall we?

"And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess. It is a decree of Allah for you. Lawful unto you are all beyond those mentioned, so that ye seek them with your wealth in honest wedlock, not debauchery. And those of whom ye seek content (by marrying them), give unto them their portions as a duty. And there is no sin for you in what ye do by mutual agreement after the duty (hath been done). Lo! Allah is ever Knower, Wise."

And this is just one translation of the passage I've come across. There are others: https://www.comp.leeds.ac.uk/nora/html/4-24.html

The passage seems to be discussing marriage, not rape.

 

I agree, and it's good to be fair and to have some knowledge on all sides. I'm not religous at all, and even I understand this.

With that said, the people involved with those crimes should be condemned. Most importantly, the problem is not with the book, the problem is the reader, and they interperate the book.



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deskpro2k3 said:

I agree, and it's good to be fair and to have some knowledge on all sides. I'm not religous at all, and even I understand this.

With that said, the people involved with those crimes should be condemned. Most importantly, the problem is not with the book, it's how you interperate the book.

Of course.



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KLAMarine said:

For the sake of fairness, let's take into consideration the rest of that passage of the Quran shall we?

"And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess. It is a decree of Allah for you. Lawful unto you are all beyond those mentioned, so that ye seek them with your wealth in honest wedlock, not debauchery. And those of whom ye seek content (by marrying them), give unto them their portions as a duty. And there is no sin for you in what ye do by mutual agreement after the duty (hath been done). Lo! Allah is ever Knower, Wise."

And this is just one translation of the passage I've come across. There are others: https://www.comp.leeds.ac.uk/nora/html/4-24.html

The passage seems to be discussing marriage, not rape.

Probably not the best example, so how about this one? While this passage doesn't talk about rape, if a woman refuses to have sex, the man can punish her since "men are in charge of women".

"Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great."

Here's one that allows intercouse with female captives:

"The apostle of Allah sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the apostle of Allah were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Quranic verse, "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess". That is to say, they are lawful for them when they complete their waiting period."

There are also several other misogynistic (and I'm not talking about the feminist/SJW version of misogyny) passages in the Quran such as a woman's testimony is worth half of a man's.



We shouldn't blame any other person than the ones who actually did the crimes. It just isn't a matter of where they are coming from. There are more than enough good people from Africa and the middle east living here. And there are as well more than enough german assholes, murderers and rapists. I hate it that shit like that always has to become a discussion about race and religion. It's bullcrap, why would you want to punish innocent people for it? Just concentrate on getting the people responsible for it and that's that.

I get the idea that people want to prevent it from happening again, but that won't happen by bringing back the mindset of good ol' 1945. People are stupid, people will do bad things, it doesn't matter where they come from. Germans also get drunk and rape. We already have systems to try and prevent it and they also apply to each and every immigrant. But it's just impossible to reacht 100 % security. Stuff will always happen and it is always happening. It's just that every time someone even looking like a refugee does it, it gets a whole lot more of media coverage. Is it even clear those people were refugees? Maybe they had a german pass and lived here for decades. Who knows? Don't judge too soon.



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It's outstanding how Western media always does the same. When a crime is comited by a non-European white caucasian person, it's mandatory to state the race. Just in case there's not enough xenophobia. Let's promote it.

Obviously, these people have to be condemned. This is a disgusting and unbelievable act. 



Aura7541 said:
KLAMarine said:

For the sake of fairness, let's take into consideration the rest of that passage of the Quran shall we?

"And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess. It is a decree of Allah for you. Lawful unto you are all beyond those mentioned, so that ye seek them with your wealth in honest wedlock, not debauchery. And those of whom ye seek content (by marrying them), give unto them their portions as a duty. And there is no sin for you in what ye do by mutual agreement after the duty (hath been done). Lo! Allah is ever Knower, Wise."

And this is just one translation of the passage I've come across. There are others: https://www.comp.leeds.ac.uk/nora/html/4-24.html

The passage seems to be discussing marriage, not rape.

Probably not the best example, so how about this one? While this passage doesn't talk about rape, if a woman refuses to have sex, the man can punish her since "men are in charge of women".

"Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great."

Here's one that allows intercouse with female captives:

"The apostle of Allah sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the apostle of Allah were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Quranic verse, "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess". That is to say, they are lawful for them when they complete their waiting period."

There are also several other misogynistic (and I'm not talking about the feminist/SJW version of misogyny) passages in the Quran such as a woman's testimony is worth half of a man's.

 

and how about these ones from the bible, regarding "men are in charge of women"

Genesis 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

Isaiah 3:12 As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them.

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

1 Corinthians 14:34-36 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

Ephesians 5:22-24 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

Colossians 3:18 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.

1 Timothy 2:11-15 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing.

Titus 2:4-5 Teach the young women to be ... obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

1 Peter 3:1 Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands.

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deskpro2k3 said:

and how about these ones from the bible, regarding "men are in charge of women"

Genesis 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

Isaiah 3:12 As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them.

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

1 Corinthians 14:34-36 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

Ephesians 5:22-24 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

Colossians 3:18 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.

1 Timothy 2:11-15 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing.

Titus 2:4-5 Teach the young women to be ... obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

1 Peter 3:1 Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands.

This is a strawman fallacy. The topic is about criticizing Islam and its religious texts.

But to entertain your response, one religous group has already realized parts of its religious texts are wrong while another is still following it literally. As much as I dislike Ted Cruz, he actually had a point when he said that he preferred letting in Christian immigrants over Muslim immigrants.