Miyamotoo said:
Nintendo already said they will not compete with PS4/X1 again, they said NX is something unique with new way of playing. |
Like the tablet U, great.
If its gaming its competing, no matter how much they wish other wise.
Armour1 said:
Awesoem so there is hope they will change ditch unsuccesfuly hardware and succeed as 3rd party. I already see it happening, nx being a hybrid and moible games is them dipping their tippy toes into 3rd party status. |
No, Nintendo will continue with their hardware as well as branching the company into different forms of entertainment. Hardware will thus become one of their divisions, and not just their primary focus of income. Nintendo will become an entertainment company (I know gaming is entertainment) all tied in with gaming, mobile, movie, toys, tv and lifestyle apps/ accessories.
Because even though they make money, they are losing market share fast. Because of this, it is only a matter of time before they do actually lose money (unless of course, the NX can change that. People want to prevent that by making them third party.
Simply put, they suck as a platform holder. They only build with gimmicks or themselves in mind (ie no third party). Since they scare away mature third party games, and they themselves don't want to make them, they will always limit themselves to being a casual console (which shouldn't happen since a console should have games of all types). This, along with their old mindsets regarding online play and social interaction, makes them a pretty bad platform holder
Armour1 said:
Wii was a fad, its buyers werent gamers. PS xbox byuers are. |
Wii was huge with children and families of which many of those franchises cater to that demographic, are u suggesting games like Kirby, Animal Crossing, Mario Party, etc appeal more to the PS/XB audience than they do to the Wii audience?
When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.
| zorg1000 said:
Wii was huge with children and families of which many of those franchises cater to that demographic, are u suggesting games like Kirby, Animal Crossing, Mario Party, etc appeal more to the PS/XB audience than they do to the Wii audience? |
Why is it some of you are so closed minded that you think only one type of game sales on a consoles, that may be true on nintenod hardware.
But anything slales on PS. Freakiong indes are doiong well.
Im suggesting they can sale on a user base that exists better then one that does not.
| MegaDrive08 said: Nintendo is gaming, eveything about there games represent what gaming should be, problem with the western gamers they only care about games with violence and crudity in it, any responsible adult would buy there child a Nintendo system, alot of parents dont even care what there buying there kids, and the kids think its cool to play these sort of games. Give me a game like Fast Racing Neo or Donkey Kong Country over your imature little shooting games filled with violence, if that makes you feel grown up good luck to you. |
Nicely put, I do love an M rated game but Nintendo do offer that pure gaming experience of the good old days. Variety is the spice of life :)
zippy said:
No, Nintendo will continue with their hardware as well as branching the company into different forms of entertainment. Hardware will thus become one of their divisions, and not just their primary focus of income. Nintendo will become an entertainment company (I know gaming is entertainment) all tied in with gaming, mobile, movie, toys, tv and lifestyle apps/ accessories. |
And all of that is limited by nintendo hardware.
| Teeqoz said: Nintendo's main profit driver is software sales. Their 3rd party royalties are basically nonexistant at this point, and while Nintendo normally does make a profit on hardware sales, it's hardly as much as they make from software. If the money they'd get from increased software sales from launching on a tremendously bigger userbase outweighs what they lose from 3rd party royalties and hardware profit, then they should go third party. Neither us nor Nintendo knows if it will though. Nintemdo are in a peculiar position among the three platform makers because of exactly this. MS and Sony's primary profit drivers are 3rd party royalties and subscription fees, both of which are things that they need to maintain their own platform to keep. Nintendo's main profit driver is in no way tied to their hardware, and could potentially benefit a lot from a higher userbase. This is why Nintendo going third party is in no way as silly as someone make it out to be. To end it, I'll say this: It's not about wether or not they make money at all as a platform maker, but if they can make more as a 3rd party. *raises flame shield* |
You probably dont know, but half of profit Nintendo is making from hardware and addons for that hardware. Do you know how money Nintendo made just from selling Wii Remotes, Motion Plus, Nunchuck, Wheels...whitout profit from hardware!? For instance build price for Wii Remote was around $10-15 and Nintendo were selling then at $60, and they sold tens of milions (probably more than 100m) of Wii Remotes.
Second is when you have your own platform you don't pay royalties to anyone, you have whole profit just for itself.
Not to mention that when you have your own platform and software you have completely freedom and control of your whole business.
Miyamotoo said:
Dont agree, one of big reasons why Nintendo games are so good is because they make hardware with mind on their games, their platform gives them lota opportunities and freedom that they wouldn't have if they are third party, Nintendo games that are not on Nintendo hardware would have lower quality than todays Nintendo games. But I find whole this thread and this talk unnecessary, because Nintendo will not go third party, much bigger chances are that MS will pull up from gaming. |
Probably the biggest element here that I wish to have mentioned, but wasn't sure how to say it. Nintendo has been notorious for decades when it comes to how they want to deliver their IPs. They try to integrate hardware with their software in mind. That's why we got games like Wii Sports, Super Mario 64, Brain Age, Nintendogs, Splatoon, Super Mario Maker, etc. From what I've heard, one of the reasons why their planned collaboration with Sony on creating an enhanced SNES w/CDs fell through was because they feared that Sony would have control over their IPs. Some would think that their YouTube policies and C&Ds (such as shutting down Mario mods and suing the guy selling alcohol for a party at a convention while posting official Pokemon render art) are in relation to their need for control. Whether that's right or wrong is another discussion.
Sorry if you feel this thread was unnecessary. I was kinda hoping to learn more about what some people think about this situation in a more focused discussion rather than reading it in bits and pieces from other discussions.
Wii was huge with children and families of which many of those franchises cater to that demographic, are u suggesting games like Kirby, Animal Crossing, Mario Party, etc appeal more to the PS/XB audience than they do to the Wii audience? |
Wii was a fad because no one uses that controller anymore. Not even Nintendo. It was fun for a little while but it didn't prove to have an appeal and practicity that would last for generations and generations like the analog stick, or shoulder buttons. Nintendo is falling victim of itself. Their need to "make something different" is forcing them to make very, very, very bad decisions.
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