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hollabackenny said:
SecondWar said:
jason1637 said:
Jazz2K said:
Halo 5 is an excellent game. The campaign is great, the multiplayer is amazing and all that in 60fps glory.

If Halo 5 ends up not selling as much as other Halo games it has nothing to do with the quality of the title but everything to do with X1's reputation.


The multiplayer is amazing but the campaign is ok.

The multiplayer is ok, for me it's lost it's identity as its has become closer to the Call of Duty experience. I don't dislike call of duty, some of the elements added in Halo 4 like the load outs and grenade indicator I liked. But Halo 5 scrapped all of that and then went backwards. That kills it for me.

So halo got rid of load outs which apparently makes it closer to cod? What? 

 


I thought that might come across as confusing. Both Halo 4 and 5 moved closer to the CoD formula. 4 with loadouts and killstreaks. 5 to me has more of the CoD as it plays much more like a run and gun shooter to me. 



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SecondWar said:
jason1637 said:
Jazz2K said:
Halo 5 is an excellent game. The campaign is great, the multiplayer is amazing and all that in 60fps glory.

If Halo 5 ends up not selling as much as other Halo games it has nothing to do with the quality of the title but everything to do with X1's reputation.


The multiplayer is amazing but the campaign is ok.

The multiplayer is ok, for me it's lost it's identity as its has become closer to the Call of Duty experience. I don't dislike call of duty, some of the elements added in Halo 4 like the load outs and grenade indicator I liked. But Halo 5 scrapped all of that and then went backwards. That kills it for me.

Well I play CoD since mw2 not because I like it but because almost everyone I know plays it and when I played halo 4 it was a huge disappointment. I'm glad they took away the streaks from halo 4 and added things like the kill animations and the zooms for the gun because it might not be really halo like but it makes the game fell more modern so I can accept that. I will even go as far and say the multiplayer is better than 3 and 4 and 1. Halo 2s multiplayer is really something amazing.

SecondWar said:
Jazz2K said:
Halo 5 is an excellent game. The campaign is great, the multiplayer is amazing and all that in 60fps glory.

If Halo 5 ends up not selling as much as other Halo games it has nothing to do with the quality of the title but everything to do with X1's reputation.

I still don't get the major obsession some people have with 60 FPS in games and what it really adds overall. Maybe that it's just because by contrast I prefer greater graphical fidelity, or because unless there are really major frame rate crashes the higher rate isn't that noticeable.



I played halo reach a few days ago and 60fps is a bigger than i thought because going back to reach is really hard. 

Diablos said:
H5 was crap to be honest, having played the MCC before it really showed how spectacularly bad the 5th installment was. The pathetic 5 hour single player that's nothing but run for point a to b a few times and fight the same guy 12 times. To the nonsensical story unless you watched a movie read a book and went through a few comics.

This game made me regret wasting cash on a x1.

Lets not forget the BS commercials the blatant false advertising that have absolutely nothing to do with anything in the game. Master Chief killing civilians lol when the fuck does that happen in the 5 mediocre hours of game time ? the alluded big showdown between him and Lock a god damn lol cringe worthy minute long fist fight. Total horse shit, they sold me on a epic space drama of betrayal and all i got was a 5 years old -c grade school story.

Well i can see why you wouldnt liek the game ebcause of the single player. For me its alright, but have you played the multiplayer?

When you buy the game it comes with a little cards and paper that explains things like blue team.

Well the advertising is that in the Halo universe there trying to make cheif a bad man by trying to portay him as a rebel. 





Halo 2 is my favorite of the series. It was what got me into Halo in the first place (buddy of mine was the only one who had an Xbox during Halo 2 release).

Sales wise Halo 5 underperformed when compared to previous installments, but I really enjoyed the game and the multiplayer is still awesome.



All that write up, yet there isn't a single ''bad'' or even less than stellar Halo game...

The hate for Halo 5 is welcome though as the pure unnecessary hate for Halo 4 has dies down. I never understood people who pick apart Halo 4. It was fantastic, and sold really well.

Most of the disappointment is geared towards Halo 5, and that is solely the fault of the people who criticized Halo 4. Load outs are gone. 5v5 slayer is gone. No more ordinance drops. I personally find it hard to get into with Warzone the only notable thing about Halo 5.

I hope Halo 6 follows Halo 1 - 4 rather than 5.



SecondWar said:
Jazz2K said:
Halo 5 is an excellent game. The campaign is great, the multiplayer is amazing and all that in 60fps glory.

If Halo 5 ends up not selling as much as other Halo games it has nothing to do with the quality of the title but everything to do with X1's reputation.

I still don't get the major obsession some people have with 60 FPS in games and what it really adds overall. Maybe that it's just because by contrast I prefer greater graphical fidelity, or because unless there are really major frame rate crashes the higher rate isn't that noticeable.



Single only games that focus more on cinematics than fast gameplay are better at 30fps because it gives them a better movie feeling. But games that rely mostly on precision and fast reactions are better at 60fps. Driving games that require precision are better at 60fps while those that are more arcade it doesn't matter as precision isn't what is most important in those kind of games. The same applies to fps. Not all games are suited for 60fps though.





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I rank Halo 5 multiplayer up there with Halo 2 and 3. It's so damn addicting! As far as story, it's probably one of the weakest, but still fun to play.



To the OP; I don't agree with you, I have come to enjoy Halo more and more since CE and all main titles after. Did Microsoft and Bungie see potential in Halo after CE? Ofcourse! But going by Fall of Reach, there was already plans on expanding the universe.
Though I have to admit that there has been a little too much Halo in the later years (making it seem more like a cash grab), but in the same way that there's too much Star Wars, it has a universe that dedicated people want to explore. I don't think it's bad.
And you think that the "downfall" started with Halo 2? Halo 3 was the peak even though my personal favorites are between Reach, ODST and 5. 3 had Legendary gameplay that none other in the series could master in the same way. But it is just an opinion :P

To people talking Halo 5;
I believe Halo has had its ups and downs in releases of all its titles. 5 was great to me, the sense of scale was amazing, running down a Guardian, climbing a crumbling space elevator, actually riding the space elevator, Exhuberant Witness in general, I for one loved the small tidbits of interacting with other characters (even though it could've been done better and shouldn't have been counted into mission count), multiplayer/forge are superb, other weapons/vehicle variants in campaign, Buck, Blue Team, taking down the Kraken (could have been better though).

It had problems though: Locke wasn't really interesting (though he was basically what Chief was in CE, just a dude in his armor, doing his job), campaign was short, only 3 missions with Blue Team (granted, they were the longest missions), cutscenes ending too early, ending was a huge dick-punch of a cliffhanger, REQ system, while I do like it, I would've wanted more armour pieces that you had to earn in order to unlock (like the Helioskrill, Nightfall and Mark VI scarred), no infection, no oddball, no elites in multiplayer, misleading marketing (douchebags).

Overall, I love Halo 5: Guardians. But still, it's not better than 3, Reach or 2.



Jazz2K said:
SecondWar said:

I still don't get the major obsession some people have with 60 FPS in games and what it really adds overall. Maybe that it's just because by contrast I prefer greater graphical fidelity, or because unless there are really major frame rate crashes the higher rate isn't that noticeable.



Single only games that focus more on cinematics than fast gameplay are better at 30fps because it gives them a better movie feeling. But games that rely mostly on precision and fast reactions are better at 60fps. Driving games that require precision are better at 60fps while those that are more arcade it doesn't matter as precision isn't what is most important in those kind of games. The same applies to fps. Not all games are suited for 60fps though.



Maybe therein lies my issues with 60FPS, as in general I prefer single player games.





Wow, I came here expecting this go be about Halo 5 sales, not how the best Halo game "ruined" the series. And the only complaints are about the campaign? Brutes ruined Halo, really?

Halo has a great story but let's be honest, multiplayer is its bread and butter and the reason for its popularity. And Halo 2 has the best multiplayer of all. The best maps, good balance, introduced new weapons and has the best BR in the series. And it didn't have any fucking bubble shields or shield regenerators, if anything ruined the series it was those.



SecondWar said:
Jazz2K said:

Single only games that focus more on cinematics than fast gameplay are better at 30fps because it gives them a better movie feeling. But games that rely mostly on precision and fast reactions are better at 60fps. Driving games that require precision are better at 60fps while those that are more arcade it doesn't matter as precision isn't what is most important in those kind of games. The same applies to fps. Not all games are suited for 60fps though.



Maybe therein lies my issues with 60FPS, as in general I prefer single player games.



Single player game doesn't matter. If I'm firing a gun. That means reaction time and precision. I want the higher FPS.