DonFerrari said:
WolfpackN64 said:
DonFerrari said:
So if they were in UK the new is even worse putting the blame on Donald Trump.
WolfpackN64 said:
That's some grade A BS. To start, most of the punishments ISIS enacts are illegal under islamic law. There are moderates, fundamentalists and extremists in every religion.
And another thing: don't bring up the "western left-wing propaganda" lie. Like the only thing we Communists do is make up lies to protect people some Americans hate.
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Yes, communists have as well killed a lot of their own in several countries they entered, all under the guise of removing the people that don't follow the regime.
Also please show us the terrorist acts of the xintoists in Japan, any of the indigenous religion in Brazil, etc.
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First of all, it's Shintoists. What did Shintoism do in itself? Nothing bad really. Have they been misused? Oh yes! Ever heard of WWII and Japan's involvement? They used Shinto to propagate a nationalist feeling.
And secondly. Communism in itself killed no-one. People who think so should look at the death count one could stick on Capitalism.
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In portuguese it is xintoísta, but whatever. Never hear of any terror cell from shintoist origin. So please try and link that to your claim that all religion have extremist and trying to pass that as similar to muslim extemists, and also you ignored the "fundamentalists and extremists" of indigenous religion... You claimed all religion have them, so please prove. I have heard Japan involvement, are we comparing War between countries and governments with religious fundamentalists, how far do you want to push this argument to say extremists muslim is just like any other religious extremists?
I didn't say communism, I said communists, want to read again? And there is a big difference between death under a system from because of it. How many millions have capitalism extermined because of different POV? How much freedom to spread your narrative would you have in any communist country that ever was? In capitalist countries you can badmouth it and defend communism, in communist countries you can't disagree and much less uphold capitalist ideals.
WolfpackN64 said:
Nirvana_Nut85 said:
WolfpackN64 said:
First of all, it's Shintoists. What did Shintoism do in itself? Nothing bad really. Have they been misused? Oh yes! Ever heard of WWII and Japan's involvement? They used Shinto to propagate a nationalist feeling.
And secondly. Communism in itself killed no-one. People who think so should look at the death count one could stick on Capitalism.
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You might want to fact check that statement.
Also, deaths under Communist regimes far exceeded any Capitalist one.
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I'd rather you specify what's wrong with my statement yourself.
And no, in the 20th century alone, the "capitalist death-toll" would ring well over 100 million deaths. Disregarding the many worker's deaths of the 19th century and the wars fed by the industrial-military complex of the 21st century.
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Please elucidate what you include in Capitalism body count and on communism just so we know we are talking about the same thing... because comparing deaths from plagues or war to executions is silly.
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You're making a few mistakes here.
1. Putting democracy and capitalism in the same basket. They're unrelated. You can have a capitalist dictatorship and a communist democracy. The point I originally was trying to make was to say it's stupid to put death counts on ideologies.
2. If executions would count toward a Communist death toll, then WW1 and WW2 count as capitalist death counts. Death from poor working conditions would count, anti-communist's purges of communists would count, desastrous global warming effects would count, famines and malnutrition in some poorer nations would count, death under colonial regimes would count, ... you get the point.
3. Shintoism never had a terror cell, but many people were killed or repressed by the "Japanese national spirit" in WWII and Shintoism was used to great effect here.
4. Over half of Japan's ruling elite (including the prime minister) are part of Nippon Kaigi. An organization that openly reveres the Empire of Greater Japan and exuses a lot of the crimes commited during the military rule during WWII. The ruling party, in chich most of the Nippon Kaigi members are part, is support by the Association of Shinto Shrines. I wouldn't say that's extremist, but it gives a clear sign of fundamentalism, not necesarily from the people, but definatly from the ruling elite.
And if you think I take pleasure in using Japan as an example. I study Japanese.
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