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Soundwave said:
Lawlight said:
Soundwave said:
Lawlight said:
You know now that SW isn't the biggest movie of all time.

It will just have to settle for being the biggest franchise of all time and the most valuable movie "force" in Hollywood by a country mile. 

Disney would not trade Star Wars for Avatar + Terminator + Aliens combined. They are going to be making Star Wars movies 20 years from now and reaping huge profits. They completely ripped George Lucas off at $4 billion, that price was highway robbery, TFA alone will probably return somewhere close to that. 

That $900+ domestic take likely won't be beaten anytime soon either. Not bad for the *seventh* film in a franchise that's almost 40 years old. 

Let Disney have their movie but plenty of people thought this would beat Avatar and even make $3B. I guess the bad/weak story prevented it from having the legs required to do so.

 

Neither really have a great story. Neither does Jurassic World or Avengers. They're just big spectacles. 

Avatar 2 IMO will not beat The Force Awakens either, especially if the "gimmick" is just high-frame rate. I watched the Hobbit at 60 fps or whatever it was, it looks like shit. Makes the movie look like it was shot on a video camcorder. 

I think Star Wars Rogue One is going to do massive business next year too. Disney is going to make a fortune with this franchise. It is the golden goose. 

Not having a great story is one thing - all of those movies plain have a bad story.





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Lawlight said:
Soundwave said:

 

Neither really have a great story. Neither does Jurassic World or Avengers. They're just big spectacles. 

Avatar 2 IMO will not beat The Force Awakens either, especially if the "gimmick" is just high-frame rate. I watched the Hobbit at 60 fps or whatever it was, it looks like shit. Makes the movie look like it was shot on a video camcorder. 

I think Star Wars Rogue One is going to do massive business next year too. Disney is going to make a fortune with this franchise. It is the golden goose. 

Not having a great story is one thing - all of those movies plain have a bad story.



 

TFA and Avatar have decent stories they're just very derivative (one of A New Hope the other of Pocahontas/Dances With Wolves). 

Avengers, Jurassic World are a tier below. Furious 7 is just plain crap (lol ... I like the franchise but it's true, but I guess what can you do with a seventh movie about driving cars). 

The 80s and 90s had better blockbusters, what the modern day has is safer blockbusters. They don't take as many story risks and have a more consistent quality to them. Empire Strikes Back, Terminator 2, Back to the Future, Raiders of the Lost Ark, E.T., Jurassic Park, Die Hard, even Return of the Jedi are all better written films than the top movies of today. 

The Force Awakens just proves how huge Star Wars is though, it's just a decent Star Wars film without a lot of the mind numbing stupidity/poor acting of the Lucas prequels. And that's all it had to do to earn basically $2 billion WW and completely demolish the domestic record in under a month. 



Lawlight said:

Let Disney have their movie but plenty of people thought this would beat Avatar and even make $3B. I guess the bad/weak story prevented it from having the legs required to do so.

The hatred realy knows no bounds on you huh ? That pesky "bad/weak story" making this movie become the highest grossing movie on the history of USA realy sucked for Disney I believe. Seriously, the things we read on the internet sometimes...

For like the 10th time, if this movie was following the same model as Avatar on the box office (wich is a very wierd model that no other movie ever followed) it would have passed 1 billion on USA by now and thats not realistic at all, no movie that open the way FA did will ever have a hold like Avatar had. In fact Avatar only had the hold it had cause it opened with kinda low numbers, so it stayed somewhat flat flat, otherwise it too would have dropped a lot.

Only reason FA doesnt beat Avatar is because Star Wars is big worldwide but not as big as in the USA, and the exchange rates are being very disfavorable for it WW.



Soundwave said:
Lawlight said:

Not having a great story is one thing - all of those movies plain have a bad story.



 

TFA and Avatar have decent stories they're just very derivative (one of A New Hope the other of Pocahontas/Dances With Wolves). 

Avengers, Jurassic World are a tier below. Furious 7 is just plain crap (lol ... I like the franchise but it's true, but I guess what can you do with a seventh movie about driving cars). 

The 80s and 90s had better blockbusters, what the modern day has is safer blockbusters. They don't take as many story risks and have a more consistent quality to them. 

The Force Awakens just proves how huge Star Wars is though, it's just a decent Star Wars film without a lot of the mind numbing stupidity/poor acting of the Lucas prequels. And that's all it had to do to earn basically $2 billion WW and completely demolish the domestic record in under a month. 

It's only huge because they spent a crazy amount of money marketing it and there hasn't been a SW movies in a long time. You can bet that the other SW movies even if better (which I doubt since Disney has a formula that all their movies adhere to) will not make as much money as this one.

Ultimately, all the highest grossing movies are crap.





Soundwave said:

It will just have to settle for being the biggest franchise of all time and the most valuable movie "force" in Hollywood by a country mile. 

 

Neh, I believe that title will have to go to the MCU.

EDIT: Talking specifically about the most valuable movie "force" part



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Lawlight said:
Soundwave said:

 

TFA and Avatar have decent stories they're just very derivative (one of A New Hope the other of Pocahontas/Dances With Wolves). 

Avengers, Jurassic World are a tier below. Furious 7 is just plain crap (lol ... I like the franchise but it's true, but I guess what can you do with a seventh movie about driving cars). 

The 80s and 90s had better blockbusters, what the modern day has is safer blockbusters. They don't take as many story risks and have a more consistent quality to them. 

The Force Awakens just proves how huge Star Wars is though, it's just a decent Star Wars film without a lot of the mind numbing stupidity/poor acting of the Lucas prequels. And that's all it had to do to earn basically $2 billion WW and completely demolish the domestic record in under a month. 

It's only huge because they spent a crazy amount of money marketing it and there hasn't been a SW movies in a long time. You can bet that the other SW movies even if better (which I doubt since Disney has a formula that all their movies adhere to) will not make as much money as this one.

Ultimately, all the highest grossing movies are crap.



Domestically I don't think anything will beat The Force Awakens for a long time, it's domestic number is monstrous, it will end up a full whopping $200 million more than Avatar here and there's bound to be a re-release at some point too. 

It wouldn't surprise me if VIII or IX *if they are good movies* can top TFA internationally though. Markets like China and India are behind the Star Wars curve because they didn't experience the franchise in the same way as the West did in the 70s/80s, so The Force Awakens has a lot of foundation building in those markets which will benefit future Star Wars movies. 

I don't think all the highest grossing movies are "crap". They 80s/90s I would say had better written blockbusters though. Empire Strikes Back, Terminator 2, Back to the Future, Ghostbusters, Jurassic Park, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Forrest Gump, The Lion King, Star Trek II: Wrath of Khan, Return of the Jedi, Titanic, E.T., The Sixth Sense, Die Hard, The Matrix, are well written movies for what they are intended to be (mainstream entertainment). 

They all have solid plots, good character progression, and usually very strong protagonists. Even Independence Day, while silly, is more 'human' and grounded I would say that a lot of modern blockbusters which have a completely incoherent plot. 



DakonBlackblade said:
Lawlight said:

Let Disney have their movie but plenty of people thought this would beat Avatar and even make $3B. I guess the bad/weak story prevented it from having the legs required to do so.

The hatred realy knows no bounds on you huh ? That pesky "bad/weak story" making this movie become the highest grossing movie on the history of USA realy sucked for Disney I believe. Seriously, the things we read on the internet sometimes...

And for the record it had a stronger weak than Avatar did, it had a weaker weekend but it made around 20M more money in total on its 3rd weak than Avatar did. And for like the 10th time, if this movie was follwing the same model as Avatar on the box office (wich is a very wierd model that no other movie ever followed) it would have passed 1 billion on USA by now and thats not realistic at all, no movie that open the way FA did will ever have a hold like Avatar had. In fact Avatar only had the hold it had cause it opened with kinda low numbers, so it stayed somewhat flat flat, otherwise it too would have dropped a lot.

Only reason FA doesnt beat Avatar is because Star Wars is big worldwide but not as big as in the USA, and the exchange rates are being very disfavorable for it WW.

 

The marketing and inflation made the movie become the highest grossing movie in the US, not its quality.

It also had weaker weekdays in its 3rd week than Avatar.

Also, the Chinese Yuan exchange rate is more favourable to TFA than Avatar - and that's on top of the Chinese growth in cinema. As is the GBP and the Australia dollar.



Lawlight said:

The marketing and inflation made the movie become the highest grossing movie in the US, not its quality.

It also had weaker weekdays in its 3rd week than Avatar.

Also, the Chinese Yuan exchange rate is more favourable to TFA than Avatar - and that's on top of the Chinese growth in cinema. As is the GBP and the Australia dollar.

I might be wrong but I believe it is biger than Avatar adjusted for inflation too (not much change for Acatar since its not that old) and Im not gona go into a discussion of why adjusting stuf for inflation is always questionable again cause its besides the point. If it isnt biger than Avatar with inflation itll be very soon.

And seriously marketing ? Cause Avatar had no marketing, like at all right ? And what is that even suposed ot mean, movies that have hughe marketing campaings are automaticaly bad, or good movies should have no marketing at all, a combination of both or what?  And the ppl going to see FA like 3,4 times is becuase of marketing not because its a good movie right ? Critics opinions were also all hype and/or because Disney payed them right ? Disney must also have payed every ppl who says if they liked the movie or not on Rotten Tomatoes I believe.

And China doesnt make up for the market of the entire rest fo the world, and Avatar made 200 M there, the market was already quite big when movies actualy got to release, the problem was almost no movie released there. And damm those Ausies and Brits if only they had gone to see the movie 500 times each the exchange rate in these 2 countrys would have made a difference. 

Acept your opinion about the movie diverges from the crushing majority and stop being anoying for Christ sake.





Lawlight said:
You know now that SW isn't the biggest movie of all time.

 

are you from the future? Because you do know it's still running and still making good numbers.

While it's unlikely that it will top Avatars world wide total we still don't know yet.

It's 4th weekend domestic was lower than Avatars 4th (or even 5th) it was still the second highest for a 4th weekend. Plus since it's already ahead of Avatar domestic everything it gets now helps make up for places where it's behind.



Lawlight said:
Soundwave said:

 

TFA and Avatar have decent stories they're just very derivative (one of A New Hope the other of Pocahontas/Dances With Wolves). 

Avengers, Jurassic World are a tier below. Furious 7 is just plain crap (lol ... I like the franchise but it's true, but I guess what can you do with a seventh movie about driving cars). 

The 80s and 90s had better blockbusters, what the modern day has is safer blockbusters. They don't take as many story risks and have a more consistent quality to them. 

The Force Awakens just proves how huge Star Wars is though, it's just a decent Star Wars film without a lot of the mind numbing stupidity/poor acting of the Lucas prequels. And that's all it had to do to earn basically $2 billion WW and completely demolish the domestic record in under a month. 

It's only huge because they spent a crazy amount of money marketing it and there hasn't been a SW movies in a long time. You can bet that the other SW movies even if better (which I doubt since Disney has a formula that all their movies adhere to) will not make as much money as this one.

Ultimately, all the highest grossing movies are crap.



I'd have to agree largely with your assessment of those movies' quality, but SW:TFA is not crap.

JW was Michael Bay Park, F&F is...F&F, and Avatar is Ferngully 3D (not errible, but not great).