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Diablos said:
AlfredoTurkey said:
Diablos said:
AlfredoTurkey said:
Diablos said:
So they are supposed to do it for free ? why lol. this is business. I sure as shit don't work for free, why should they ? Some of you need to grow up.

If the price is to high, ohh then don't buy it lol simple.

 

It's about profit margins. People don't mind businesses making money. But when a business makes a shit ton of it and decides that they want yet another sports car for their CEOs, when they all have 100 of them... people don't like it. PS4 could have free PS1,PS2 and PS3 BC and they'd still be killing it profit wise. They'd still be number one in the market and still be destroying Xbox and Nintendo. 

See all that is just your opinion, you actually havent a clue about what THE PROFIT MARGINS ARE WHAT THE COSTS OF BRINING BACK THESE TITLES TO PS4 ARE WHAT THE PRICE NEEDS TO BE TO EVEN CUT EVEN.  

What foolish bussiness will knowingly funnel money into miniscule likely losing endaver by ruining their profits from another one ? what you are sayng is childish fairy tales not how the the real world works.

 

 

 

What foolish bussiness will knowlingly funnel money into miniscule things? Sony? Nintendo? Microsoft? Are they foolish enough? PS2 and PS3 had full BS. Wii and Wii-U had full BC. Xbox 360 and Xbox One has BC. Why? Because it's a low cost, high reward feature. It fosters good will between a company and it's die hard fans and presents a good image which is more than half the battle. Do you remember Sony at the pre-launch E3, presenting themselves as being the pro-consumer company? Mocking MS for being anti-consumer? That's how you win console wars... perception.

BC costs little to nothing and offers everything in return. In today's market, with social media and blogs, every lttle thing you can do to come off as the "good guy" goes a country mile and Sony is really missing out on opportunity.

BC does not cost nothing so stop posing utter lies, if your opinion on the matter is so weak how about you use some facts.  Mmm k.

High reward to who, the fraction of the 1% that use it. Hilarious.  

You win by offering a better product at lesser price, thats how PS4 won the war over the Xbox1.    (PS3 bc cost, it rasied the price of the hardware) most worthelss feature it had.  Thank god they got rid of it.  

He didn't say that. If you're unsure what the term "little to nothing" means you should google it before saying he is lying.





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Those that have a PS2 game, should already own a PS2 system. In my case, I never owned a PS2, so this is good for me. If I buy a PS2 game now for my PS4, I'll be supporting the developers.

If people can't afford 10 bucks then they shouldn't be wasting it on Starbucks, and even ordering a large Pizza cost more.



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What foolish bussiness will knowlingly funnel money into miniscule things? Sony? Nintendo? Microsoft? Are they foolish enough? PS2 and PS3 had full BS. Wii and Wii-U had full BC. Xbox 360 and Xbox One has BC. Why? Because it's a low cost, high reward feature. It fosters good will between a company and it's die hard fans and presents a good image which is more than half the battle. Do you remember Sony at the pre-launch E3, presenting themselves as being the pro-consumer company? Mocking MS for being anti-consumer? That's how you win console wars... perception.

BC costs little to nothing and offers everything in return. In today's market, with social media and blogs, every lttle thing you can do to come off as the "good guy" goes a country mile and Sony is really missing out on opportunity.

BC does not cost nothing so stop posing utter lies, if your opinion on the matter is so weak how about you use some facts.  Mmm k.

High reward to who, the fraction of the 1% that use it. Hilarious.  

You win by offering a better product at lesser price, thats how PS4 won the war over the Xbox1.    (PS3 bc cost, it rasied the price of the hardware) most worthelss feature it had.  Thank god they got rid of it.  

He didn't say that. If you're unsure what the term "little to nothing" means you should google it before saying he is lying.



Yosh just explained the costs are much more then that, so hes purposefully lying to support his opinion which he sees is a fact.  



If you have to defend anything you're trying to sell, you just confirm what everyone is complaining about, it's a rip off. Sorry sony, no amount of damage control will change people's minds.



I am glad people in this thread are not endorsing this. It might lead to true BC soon!



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I don't have ps2 games anymore do regardless I'd have to rebuy and I'd much rather rebuy with trophies and upgraded visuals but of course disc emulation would be great if it had the new features



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Wish people would stop moaning, if you don't want to pay for the game you just don't get it... simple. Unfortunately people want everything for free these days.

I've had more fun for a £12 GTA3 than I have many games that have come out this year.... probably played more hours in it also. So is it expensive... not really. Went to see SW the movie, 2 odd hours with the kids, that was £45. Say that was 10 hours of entertainment (2x5 family)... I've played GTA3 about 12 hours so far...

Me, I've been loving playing GTA3 again, good performance and graphically not bad :) - missions hard as nails as I remember it though :)



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That's actually fairly cheap. A lot of the best PS2 games cost more than that.



ganoncrotch said:
pokoko said:

That people want things for free is no surprise.  That people feel entitled to things for free is kind of sad.

Not really, people aren't saying they want the games for free, people are asking could they play the games they bought with money on the system. I'm not sure I ever got ps2 games for free, neither the ones on PS3's store nor the physical copies. Where did you see anyone asking for the ability to have the ps2 titles being offered here without paying?

Or you mean entitled to the ability to have BC on their console of a system from 2 generations ago which is capable of using the same media? You see, they might not be entitled, if it wasn't for Nintendo offering complete BC of the Wii on the Wii-U (the DS on the 3DS) and MS now offering 100+ titles both physical and digital running on the X1, for free (as long as you originally bought them, obviously).

Don't mistake questioning a brand who is charging for what others are offering for free... as entitlement, it is called being aware of what the competition is doing, when X1 was getting ready for launch, it was a complete in-ability to do this which basically put them on a path to be 2nd place to Sony this generation.



Not true at all.  When you buy a PS2 game, you're entitled to that game running on a PS2.  When I bought programs for Windows 95, it did not come with entitlement to run on Windows 10.  

Getting a PS2 game running on a PS4 requires time, effort, and money.  Programming, testing, and certification are necessary.  It's not magic.  It does not happen without spending resources.

Microsoft getting backwards compatibility working with the Xbox One probably cost them quite a bit of money.  It's a nifty feature and they should get a lot of credit for doing it.  Make no mistake, though, they're doing it because they think it's a good investment that will give them an edge and help with sales.

If the games you buy say "will work with all future consoles and operating systems" then, yes, you're entitled to exactly that.  If they say "will work with the PS4" then that is as far as your entitlement goes.  Otherwise, I'm going to complain that my VHS tapes don't work on my DVD player and see where that gets me.

Now, as a consumer, you are perfectly within your rights to say, "this feature is important to me."  You are not entitled to it, though, no more than you entitled to heated seats in a car or hot sauce in your chicken noodle soup, even if other brands have made those standard features on their own products.





In a nutshell: Sony set the standard for not rebuying things you already own with cross-buy years ago, meanwhile everyone slammed Nintendo because they charged for certain 3DS VC games that you likely already owned on Wii.

The main argument is that if someone owns a PS2 or PS1 classic on PS3, they shouldn't be charged again. Why not implement a system like that? If you have a PS2/PS1 classic in your purchase history then you can download the original game on your PS4, or get an enhanced version at a discount. $15 is a bit pricy for a game that released over a decade ago. 

I could understand charging a premium for a full fledged remaster, as everyone's been doing, but these don't appear to be true remasters; only ROMs running at 1080p with trophies.