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Hynad said:

Are people going to necrobump all those threads now?

Is this the insecurity that people have been talking about on these forums lately?

*speaks in EA voice*: Don't like it? Don't read it!

Are you bothered by this bump? This thread was an undisclosed battle between two big games. Of course we want a conclusion after the dust has settled. To make sure that the winner is decided.

Also, as Noctis_Nox said, this necrobumping goes both ways as both sides can have painfully bad predictions.



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9.32 million BOTW sold as of June 30th of this year...

Sweet mother of God. Seriously, can we lay praise on Nintendo over their cult of return on investment?



CGI-Quality said:
zorg1000 said:

It has had a few temporary discounts but the MSRP is still $60.

That's fine, but the narrative that it has "remained full price" is inaccurate. The deals/discounts do make a difference and there have been a few of them. 

Deals make a difference, however anything other than accepting the fact that those are rare and far in between would be trying to mislead folks.

 

HZD is for all intents and purposes a sub twenty dollar game with all the DLC included competing against a 60 dollar game on a platform with around a 5th of the userbase. Forget the hair splitting, what Nintendo has done is something that developers fantasize about.

 

And Nintendo does it damn near every generation a dozen times.



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CGI-Quality said:
Medisti said:

Also, Zelda is frequently in the Top 10, despite being full price, whereas Horizon is lower and a third the cost.

Has Zelda always been full price? For example, it isn't full price on Amazon right now. In fact, I could have sworn such a notion has been debunked before. I get that people want to gloat, but perspective, as usual, is needed. 

Amazon discounts have just appeared in this month. Zelda BOTW word of mouth is better than SMO and only second to MK8D based on this year shipments data.



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zorg1000 said:
CGI-Quality said:

Has Zelda always been full price? For example, it isn't full price on Amazon right now. In fact, I could have sworn such a notion has been debunked before. I get that people want to gloat, but perspective, as usual, is needed. 

It has had a few temporary discounts but the MSRP is still $60.

On the EU eShop it’s €70 even. Retail it’s a bit cheaper though, but always around €60.

Cubedramirez said:
9.32 million BOTW sold as of June 30th of this year...

Sweet mother of God. Seriously, can we lay praise on Nintendo over their cult of return on investment?

And that is on Switch alone, don’t forget the estimated 1.5m (last concrete numbers were 1.2 though as far as I know) it also sold on WiiU!

Zelda has done amazingly well, but Horizon was also a huge success for Sony. I did outsell most older Zelda games after all, and to sell so much as a new IP is something to be happy about. I have the game but haven’t played it yet. About the OP, Horizon winning the metacritic was never going to happen, there was just no chance and you’d have to be pretty biassed to believe that. The lowest metascore a console-Zelda ever got was a 93 and BotW was bound to score much higher. Sales was debatable and it could’ve gone either way, but luckily both sold far more than I thought they would. Graphics was Horizon’s clear win though, the PS4 is just capable of so much more than WiiU. I can’t wait to see what a Zelda made for Switch from the ground is going to look like, obviously Switch isn’t a PS4 either but it’ll sure look noticeably prettier!



CGI-Quality said:
LGBTDBZBBQ said:

Amazon discounts have just appeared in this month. Zelda BOTW word of mouth is better than SMO and only second to MK8D based on this year shipments data.

I'm sure I've seen it discounted before, but it doesn't matter that much. Point has been made.

Yep, the MSRP is what determines the true value of the game to the publisher

https://www.nintendo.com/games/detail/the-legend-of-zelda-breath-of-the-wild-switch

https://store.playstation.com/en-us/product/UP9000-CUSA10237_00-HRZCE00000000000

Zelda BOTW despite with 60$ and 80$(DLC) price point after over a year of release still charting in NPD(without digital data), Pal-Chart, and Mediacreate while the existence of 20$(DLC included) HZD in the market chart has vanished. 



Kerotan said:
LudicrousSpeed said:
The first thing that shoots out to me when thinking back on this comparison is the gargantuan difference in pricing you see from MicroSony versus Nintendo. These two games released days apart and yet Sony is selling the complete edition of Horizon for $16 on their store and Nintendo is still charging $60 for the standard Breath of the Wild. Horizon complete edition has been $20 at retail for awhile now. Pretty sure you can pencil Zelda in for a win here.

As a playstation gamer that's one of the biggest pros. I can get so many top class games from say $100 because the sales are insane. If I was a Nintendo gamer I'd be unhappy with the pricing. 

Oh please. If Sony started charging $80 for their games you’d spin it as some sort of “Sony tax” for their “incredible games” and happily pay. And if Sony could still be pushing Horizon for $60, they would. There’s nothing wrong with great strength in an IP, or paying $60 for a great game.



LudicrousSpeed said:
Kerotan said:

As a playstation gamer that's one of the biggest pros. I can get so many top class games from say $100 because the sales are insane. If I was a Nintendo gamer I'd be unhappy with the pricing. 

Oh please. If Sony started charging $80 for their games you’d spin it as some sort of “Sony tax” for their “incredible games” and happily pay. And if Sony could still be pushing Horizon for $60, they would. There’s nothing wrong with great strength in an IP, or paying $60 for a great game.

Reducing a price isn't a strength or pro but a strategy to move the software.  It's weird when discussing Sales in this forum because this kind of issue always used to spin the fact into their liking. Sony would never drop the price of HZD if it sold like Zelda BOTW!

CGI-Quality said: 
LGBTDBZBBQ said: 

Yep, the MSRP is what determines the true value of the game to the publisher

https://www.nintendo.com/games/detail/the-legend-of-zelda-breath-of-the-wild-switch

https://store.playstation.com/en-us/product/UP9000-CUSA10237_00-HRZCE00000000000

Zelda BOTW despite with 60$ and 80$(DLC) price point after over a year of release still charting in NPD(without digital data), Pal-Chart, and Mediacreate while the existence of 20$(DLC included) HZD in the market chart has vanished. 

None of the matters to my point, though, and your reasoning for bumping this was to gloat about Zelda. That's okay, but doesn't remove how well Horizon has done.

That's the point of this thread though, to compare the sales between two games whether it's in unit or revenue.

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CGI-Quality said:

Eh, what Horizon has done, in my eyes, is equally as impressive (considering we're talking about a new IP and the very mention of it in the same breath as Zelda is a testament to that). Trying to downplay either of them as anything but a major success is what's truly misleading, regardless of a current $20 or $60 price tag. 

Absolutely.  It's a brand new IP on a platform with plenty of top-level competition.  It didn't have a decades-long brand to use as leverage.  It doesn't even have a highly marketable main character.  I don't think people know how silly they look when they try to downplay that or use its sales numbers as console wars ammunition.

Just imagine if it had launched with the PS4.