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JakDaSnack said:
lionpetercarmoo said:

Who gives a DAMN about their past as long as a game looks good it shouldn't matter. Also you're comparing first person shooting games to a RPG adventure game like...

Let me guess, you preorder No Mans Sky? lol.  

I'm not saying they can't make a great game, I'm saying that if a game studio has a long history of making bad games, predicting that they will suddenly make a good game is not very wise.  And at the very least you should wait to preorder until the reviews come out.

To be fair, Killzone 2 actually had a 91 metascore, which is hardly a bad game, the sequel has an 84, which is really good as well. Most of their other games are mediocre in rating, not bad really.

I myself never pre-order games though, especially new IP's, not only because they can disappoint but also due to technical issues and pricing.



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OnyxPhoenix said:

that's why i said "enchanted"

"Enchanted" is just a meaningless filler word you chose to be imprecise about what you mean. The fact of the matter (not opinion) is that almost every graphical feature found in breath of the wild is at least a generation beyond SOTC (PS3 version.) Some of them are more than a generation (the lighting, shading and animations surpass anything in the early years of the PS360.) Breath of the Wild would not be playeable on the PS360 without large concessions. It is no Horizon Zero Dawn nor Uncharted 4, but it doesn't have to be for your hyperbole to be a joke. So I ask again to your original and ludicrous statement, joke? 



Mummelmann said:

Bolded; precisely, that's my point. People said that GTA IV would "kill the Wii", this was never happening since the consoles sold to entirely different demographics. And that ties into my point of Zelda vs Horizon: Switch and PS4 and Zelda and Horizon are unlikely to have the same demographics since the game concepts and consoles in and on themselves are so different.
Offering a new Ford Fiesta on the market won't steal away customers from Volvo V70, they're aimed at people with different needs and wishes.

Titanfall 2 sold considerably less than Titanfall 1 even though it was on both the ps4 and xbox One and it got better reviews.  This could directly be contributed to BattleField and Cod coming out around the same time.  Zelda and Horizon are certainly different games beyond them both being openworld, but I can guarantee you that there will be an impact of sales, how big is anyones guess, but saying Zelda wont effect the sales of Horizon I do believe is false.

Zelda won't affect the sales of Horizon and vice versa.

Mario Kart is a poor example, it's a vastly bigger franchise than Zelda, heck; it sold 35 million on Wii...

My point was that it's possible.

I'm not saying Horizon will sell more, I don't think it actually will, but I don't think that Zelda BotW will sell numbers that can't be beat by a game like Horizon under the right circumstances. So; Zelda will score higher, that's a given, it will probably sell more but it's not quite as certain. Satisfied?

Bloodbourne got amazing reviews, but sold only 2.5 million.  I mean technically it's possible for Horizon to sell more due to a larger install base, but lets be real, Consumers will buy a 300 dollar console just for zelda.

PS: If you're making a point to refute a point that no one you quoted made, consider not making it at all, or at least clarify that it's meant as a genral observation, that was impossible to discern based on the post alone. Thanks for clarifying it now though.

I think you're getting a bit to emotional on that, I never directly refuted a point.  You shouldn't assume that's what I was doing, in fact don't assume at all, if I make a point and you agree with it, just say you agree no need to continue to comment about it.

PPS: Breakout games happen, especially open world games that are well made. Look at The Witcher 3, on smaller installed bases, it has sold a whole lot more than the previous one, also from a studio with little pedigree and no massive hits.

Witcher 2 was already a well established game selling almost 4 million.  Witcher 3 selling 6 million isn't all that surprising.



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lionpetercarmoo said:

1. No Mans Sky is trash 2. You're still comparing First person shooters to an RPG Adventure game.

No I'm not, I'm comparing a video game developer to a video game developer, it doesn't matter which type of game they make, it's still the same people doing it.  



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No way, new IP vs established franchise and flagship title of 2 consoles



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Mummelmann said:
JakDaSnack said:

Let me guess, you preorder No Mans Sky? lol.  

I'm not saying they can't make a great game, I'm saying that if a game studio has a long history of making bad games, predicting that they will suddenly make a good game is not very wise.  And at the very least you should wait to preorder until the reviews come out.

To be fair, Killzone 2 actually had a 91 metascore, which is hardly a bad game, the sequel has an 84, which is really good as well. Most of their other games are mediocre in rating, not bad really.

I myself never pre-order games though, especially new IP's, not only because they can disappoint but also due to technical issues and pricing.

yup, they made 6 games, 1 got a 91, 1 got a 84 3 got in the 70's and 1 was like 59.  With the most recent getting a 73.  This game could absolutely be great, but I definitely wouldn't preorder until reviews come out, and I definitely wouldn't bet on it having a better score than Zelda BOTW.



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No way anymore. I see Horizon doing 5-6m lifetime on PS4 and Zelda 1.5m on Wii U and 6million on Switch.



I watched some gameplay of that Horizon game and there's no any kind of interaction with the environment, or multiple items to use to advance through obstacles and solving puzzles, it doesn't have any puzzles at all and it's doesn't seem to have any dungeons at all, ,most of the combat seems to involve the bow or a variation of it. The graphics are pretty I guess, but I prefer Zelda's art-style.



I'm afraid of Zero Dawn not being able to reach expectations and end up being a let down. Sure it can look good but it's gameplay that matters most.



JakDaSnack said:

Titanfall 2 sold considerably less than Titanfall 1 even though it was on both the ps4 and xbox One and it got better reviews.  This could directly be contributed to BattleField and Cod coming out around the same time.  Zelda and Horizon are certainly different games beyond them both being openworld, but I can guarantee you that there will be an impact of sales, how big is anyones guess, but saying Zelda wont effect the sales of Horizon I do believe is false.

Titanfall 2, a shooter with heavy focus on multiplayer targeting audiences that enjoy twitch gameplay frag games (CoD) and releasing on the exact same platforms, basically the exact same demographics. That's a whole other universe and not comparable at all.

 

My point was that it's possible.

Why will two widely different concepts, whose primary shared trait is being open world, on two widely different consoles and with different demographics, affect one another? Did Gears of War affect Uncharted or vice versa? They're both 3rd person shooters, right? And the Xbox - PS demographic is quite similar to boot. It just doesn't work that way and there really aren't any good arguments for it.

Bloodbourne got amazing reviews, but sold only 2.5 million.  I mean technically it's possible for Horizon to sell more due to a larger install base, but lets be real, Consumers will buy a 300 dollar console just for zelda.

Dark Souls 2 sold about 2 million and has a 91 metascore, this is a series that doesn't have huge general appeal. Bloodborne did quite well for what it is, and is certainly a much more niche title and concept, especially with the difficulty curve of these games. Whether or not "consumers" are willing to spend 300$ for Zelda alone has no bearing on Horizon and its potential sales, there is no connection between thinking Horizon might sell well and thinking consumers are willing to pay 300$ for a Zelda console. Also; I'm not so sure that a huge number of people are willing to pay 300$ for a console for one game alone, even if it's Zelda.

I think you're getting a bit to emotional on that, I never directly refuted a point.  You shouldn't assume that's what I was doing, in fact don't assume at all, if I make a point and you agree with it, just say you agree no need to continue to comment about it.

Emotional? What, you think it made me cry or something? Also, when you quote DanneSandin, who in turn had quoted me and start the post with; "You guys do realize we're talking about Nintendo and Guerilla games.", how are we to think that this isn't a point pertaining to us, exactly? And, like I asked (and you "niftly" dodged); why make it at all if it had no bearing on what the two of us were actually discussing? How about saying "That may have been poorly formulated and formatted" rather than claiming it made me "emotional" (I don't even know what that's supposed to mean) and ask me not to comment on it. "Yes, I said this but you shouldn't comment on it and I wasn't talking to/about you despite aiming it directly at you", can you at least see how that's a little confusing?If you quote someone and start the post by directly adressing them, anyone would assume that you're talking to or about them, or do you have a habbit of making statements to a room full of people while singling out one individual in a corner? Adress someone behind your back by making eye contact with someone facing you instead? It's common sense, really.

You also seem to suggest that Zelda relasing one week after Horizon will affect its sales, which makes very little sense regardless, at least for week one (which is alway the biggest week).

Witcher 2 was already a well established game selling almost 4 million.  Witcher 3 selling 6 million isn't all that surprising.

The Witcher 2 sold less than one million on the 360, it didn't release for PS3 and The Witcher series was quite small on consoles overall. Meanwhile, The Witcher 3 has sold over 4 million on PS4 alone, about 4.5 times as much, that's a breakout hit in a previosuly established series. And, as mentioned, it's made by a studio with very little pedigree and no previous big hits under their belts. Horizon might well sell 5 million or more, it's not that unrealistic, and the sales of Killzone games can't be used to correctly measure the potential sales of a new IP with an entirely different concept and in a different genre with much less intense comeptition.